AR112 no serial number???

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Author Message   Danlevass Username: Danlevass Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 12:47 pm:    Can somebody help me to identify the year of my guitar? I own a beautiful 12 string electric guitar AR112 CW. It has no serial number, what is odd, because there was no s/n before 1975, and the AR112's were made between 1980-1984.??? I've search everywhere on the guitar to find the s/n but the only indication i noticed is the letter "u" print on the neck/body joint on the neck pickup hole. And based on what i've read, the Antique Violin color was more the typical color of that model. The AR112 comes with super 58 pickups. But mine, seems to have Ibanez special design coil Super Single pickups with flying fingers cover. For the rest it has mahogony body, maple top (not flamed), maple 3 ply neck, 22 frets. Thanks! danlevass   Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 1:57 pm:    Re-finished.   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 3:25 pm:    Hmm..refinished, is my guess too. But that guitar is not an AR 112 but 2618-12 Artist?? Seems to me it has 24 frets (if I counted right) smooth heel neck joint and Super80s...   Danlevass Username: Danlevass Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 5:15 pm:    I can assure you, it has 22 frets. And those pickups are not Super 80. If you look the back side of a Super 80 it's really different from those ones, and it's wtitten super 80 on it.Mine has "300" written on it. They are probably Ibanez special design coil Super Single pickups with flying fingers cover.   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 6:23 pm:    The body appears to be smaller than an AR112. It looks more like a 2618-12 and the super single coil pups would be right for that model. But the 22 frets imply an early AR112. I would guess its a circa-1980 transition piece. I can't explain the lack of serial number, but I don't think that automatically means its been refininished. Besides, the serial numbers of a 2618-12 would most likely have been stamped/filled, which would survive a refin. We've seen plenty of examples of later guitars without serial numbers. Dan', its a great guitar. js   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 8:05 pm:    Dan, I have counted them frets wrong.. But nevertheless, it most likely is, like Jeff says, a transition model between the 24-fret 2618-12 and 22-fret AR 112. The Super80īs point to that direction also. I have an AR 400 with thin body, smooth heel and Super80īs made November 1979... I agree with Jeff, a great guitar and gorgeous finish..   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 10:12 pm:    A transition between the 2618/12 and the AR112 seems pretty logical, to me. The 1980 german catalog shows a 2618/12, but it has 24 frets. However, it does mention Special single coil pickups that look like Super 80s and the color looks pretty close.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 11:25 pm:    This is the first I've heard of these pickups. Can anyone shed some light? Sure look like humbuckers, plus, I assume there's no cut switch? mk   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 7:32 am:    Those "Special Design Single Coil Pickups" were already mentioned in the specs of the 2618/12 in the 1978 catalog. Although the differences in construction between these pickups and the Super80 are obvious, there still are people who doubt that they really excist There seem to be 6 polepieces and 2 screws that go through be brace. These pickups look different than any other Super80 pickups I've ever seen so far. Some time ago Hasenobu posted pics of the pickups that were installed in a 2618/12, and the've looked exactly the same like the ones that are intalled in Danlevass' guitar. To solve that mystery once and for all, Danlevass (or another owner of a 2618/12 / transitional AR112) could try this: Move a magnet above the pickup and check where the magnetfield(s) is/are located. A humbucker should have both polaritys (North/South) at each row of polepieces while the "Special Design Single Coil Pickups" should have only one polarity right in the middle where the polepieces are located. Juergen   Danlevass Username: Danlevass Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:07 am:    I did the magnet thing and the polarity is right in the middle. So it is a "special degign single coil pickup". Dan   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 11:51 am:    Why would they figure this was the best pup to put into a 12 string model? How do they sound? ... especially in comparison to other IBZ pups you may have.   Yogi Username: Yogi Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 7:16 pm:    Danlevass, thanks for your effort! Case closed As mentioned before by Jeffsailor and Fox your guitar seems to be a transitional model AR-112, most probably made between August 1979 and June 1980. Although the finish Cherry Wine (CW) wasn't officially available for the AR-112 but for the 2618/12, it possibly was offered in that finish during the transitional period. On the other hand, the absence of a serial number makes a refinish likely, though. Juergen

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