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Author Message   Ibanezkid Username: Ibanezkid Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 7:13 am:    here's another one, sigh. any takers? Ebay Item #140128036543   Ekkerman Username: Ekkerman Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 8:27 am:    brutal!!!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 9:05 am:    If you're up for a REAL project, it could be fun.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 8:25 pm:    John....That neck is unrepairable by any mortal   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 8:40 pm:    I agree w/ john that could be a nice players guitar!Looks like he has most of the parts!!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 8:43 pm:    Dave: Oops, I didn't read the description and missed the part about the curve in the neck. Oh well, still lots of parts up for grabs.   Ibanezkid Username: Ibanezkid Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 8:52 pm:    dave_g, you should snag it becaise if anyone can repair it you can and i'm a kid with no money and a room full of yamahasanyway you rescued ''shame'' and did bobzilla's 'unreparable' scruggs so no reason you can't tackle this one   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 9:46 pm:    Wood is unbendable, or bendable.Maybe a good steam iron would work.But seriously ask a wooden boat builder about bending wood....   Ibanezkid Username: Ibanezkid Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 10:00 pm:    fingers, to bend wood you soak it in hot water for an hour or so.   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:26 pm:    yes my son !   Jchester Username: Jchester Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 11:58 pm:    ...and at least the guy's honest about its condition. ...refreshing, these days.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 12:52 am:    Fingers, from my experience no amount of steaming or pressure can straighten out a crook in a neck. Those sideways bends are an indication of improperly seasoned/dried timber...a process that takes place way before the construction of the guitar. When a joist gets a crook in in like that it has to be sistered with a straight joist and trimmed or simply discarded. The only way that guitar is ever going to be a "player" is with a neck transplant...the labor is way too much consitering condition of the rest of the guitar. Perhaps a wall hanger in a resturant or something ? Anyway the parts are worth a bit -they are not in very good shape but consitering the prices vintage parts get these days the parts are worth around $300....   Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 1:27 am:    Clamp it down, lay the heat blanket on it, apply gentle pressure, let it cook for several hours, I'd give it a 30% chance of coming back. I've seen a pretty bad twist removed this way. The Bear   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 2:49 pm:    I agree that the seller has been 'straight' (sorry) with potential buyers. I too wouldn't want to take a chance on this poor Gal. Y'all wait. Next week, an Artist will appear on ebay with a trashed body and we'll be kicking ourselves. six   Shrap Username: Shrap Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 4:50 pm:    Looking at the various parts, seems to me this guitar was either exposed to water of high humidity. I see a lot of corrosion on the metal and some residue. Could be water damage that bent the neck ?!?   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 6:43 pm:    Yes shrap thats what i was thinking. Good eye!Lot of areas around the country were expose to extream weather(floods ect.) I think we may see more water damage guitars?   Ibanezkid Username: Ibanezkid Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 7:02 pm:    fingers,to bend wood you soak it hot water for an hour or so.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 6:34 am:    Perhaps the wife drowned him with it and left it sticking out the mud body up.... six   Allears Username: Allears Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 8:36 am:    A Crime Against Guitarmanity The pictures tell a story of some serious abuse... Good Grief! Allears   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 8:40 am:    How does the moisture get to the wood itself (neck) if the neck is laminated/laquered whatever. If you want to wet it to straighten it, how does the moisture get thru the finish? And... you guys that are confident about that process can stop by the crib and have a go at Satan's guitar anytime. At least mine intonates and plays. You're only aware of the twist when you eyeball it down the neck.   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 9:26 am:    Im not going to pretend im a wood Dr.but i dont believe the fret board is laminated.Maybe water seaped in through the truss rod cover also?Or maybe the whole neck was under water for years who knows??   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:17 pm:    I think the guitar was stored uncased in a hot humid attic, or uncased in a basement. Does the auction include a case? A leaky roof or water pipe in the basement would supply the needed humidity into the environment for warpage and corrosion. The humidity would soak through the unfinished fretboard into the neck, and warp the neck. (Living in a humid state, I've had necks backbow upon arrival as the fretboard expanded, and a few weeks later go back to normal as the moisture went into the neck from the fretboard. Ive also seen the effect when gluing fretboards to necks. The more absorbant piece of wood expands slightly more as it absorbs water from the glue, and then a week later returns back to normal, at which point I shape the back of the neck.) The guitar might have been leaning on the neck sideways, introducing the sideways bend. Or, one of the neck laminates was spongier than the other side, and absorbed more water, and swelled farther, increasing the length on that side of the neck, bending it sideways. In this case, I think the attic scenario is more likely, as the attic would build up the neccessary heat to do the damage. I would rule out a flood, due to the fact that the wood hasn't swelled on the body, cracking the finish, the frets are not extremely corroded, the pots don't show water damage, and the pickups aren't green. Neither are the pickup wires. On a technical note, glued-on fingerboards are considered laminates, and could be called laminated fingerboards, as opposed to necks that are one-piece, with the fretboard cut directly into the neck. In this case it is still called a "fret board" even though it is not technically a seperate board.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:20 pm:    The auction does NOT include a case.   Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 11:13 pm:    Good observation Guitarwhisper! Your right about the frets being non- corrosive.Throw my theroy out the window.   Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 1:07 am:    Anybody ever watch an acoustic being built? The sides are heated and formed around a buck. No water is used. The Bear   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 9:48 am:    Actually, the sides are misted with water, or sometimes actually soaked for 20 minutes or so. If you don't use water, it takes an excessive amount of time to bend the wood and it burns on the iron. At least that's the case in the ones I've seen built. I know a guy who built an acoustic that was coffin shaped so he wouldn't have to bend the sides. It was wierd looking, but it sounded good. Water isn't absolutely neccesary to bend wood, heat alone will do that, but it definitely speeds up the process.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 9:51 am:    There's abook called "Guitarmaking, Tradition and Technology" that anyone interested in building guitars should read. It goes through every step, bit by bit, and doesn't leave anything out the way most books seem to do.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 12:33 pm:    Let me ask some opinions here. What do you think is harder to bend, solid or laminate woods?   Bluesmeister Username: Bluesmeister Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 1:19 am:    'Freak, I would think laminates would be harder to bend, I'm fairly certain laminates are usually laid with the grain running approximately 90 degrees to one another.   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 9:08 am:    That was my thought also. Thats why I believe laminates make a great beater guitar. Thats what I use to lug around for teaching all year long.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 10:45 pm:    And, they're also harder to warp once bent, so an all laminated guitar makes a better beach guitar. Well, I live near a beach.

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