Restoring Early 2619

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Author Message   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 12:12 am:    Good day, I own a '77 transitional model 2619. When I first bought it, it had one two way switch for what I believe was switching in and out of phase. I'm not 100 percent sure. It never worked! So.. I brought it to a local guitar store to have it fixed and have NOS super 80's installed. Well in the process of them "fixing" my guitar they broke and threw out the original switch. I was furious. They replaced it with a cheap looking crappy generic metal switch that doesn't look right. Even worse.. The switch still didn't work! That was about a year ago... The guitar still worked and I was so mad that I just took my guitar home and lived with the mess they had made. I've decided it's high time to fix this guitar. Should I get an original switch? Or does it matter? Where would I get this switch? Or can I simply buy a black switch that will look the part? Anyways.. What do you guys think?   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:09 am:    Russ, A regular 'box' type switch should fit in the hole ok. They are not hard to track down on ebay. six   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 2:57 am:    Box type eh?? I will investigate!   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 6:57 am:    A bit like this Ebay Item #300133424042 six   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:37 am:    Russel: Are you saying the 2-position switch for the "phase" or the 3-way toggle for the pickups is bad? The switch that Six linked to is for the pickup selector. For the 2-position switch, you probably could use something like this: Ebay Item #7386208090   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:02 am:    A very good point John. six   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 6:38 pm:    Johns, You're absolutely right. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a mini switch. The original one was only a two way mini switch. It wasn't a tri switch. It only had two positions. It was a small black mini switch. The one that's in there now doesn't work. At least I don't think it works, because when I flick it there is no effect on sound.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 8:48 pm:    Did you check the wiring? It may have nothing to do with the switch. One more thing: you say that you had NOS Super 80's installed. Do you know if they were the tri-sound version of the Super 80's (which would have 3 colored wires plus the shield) or the more common 'plain' Super 80's? Unless you have the tri-sound version, you won't be able to wire the pups for single coil or out-of-phase. mk   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:16 pm:    I have no Idea! I can't remember. I will need to open it up and look. I guess that could be one possibility. In any case the switch needs to go. It looks terrible! I hope that I don't have to get another pickup! They're hard to find. Especially one that will match(not tarnished). I do have the original pickup. It's tarnished and the one of the coils doesn't work. So I'm not sure if that can be fixed easily. Perhaps I could have it re-wound. It just seems like this could start to be a much bigger problem than I originally thought!   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:32 am:    Okay. If just one mini toggle on the guitar then you will only need a 2 way switch not a tri-sound type switch. six   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 9:13 am:    Six: Not necessarily so: if he has a tri-sound Super 80, he can wire it up like the later 2619's with hb/single/phase reversal, thus requiring a tri-sound switch. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 9:28 am:    Let me clarify. There are two ways to go: phase reversal between the two pickups using a two-way switch, or hb/single/phase reversal within a single pickup using a tri-sound. To restore the guitar back to its original configuration, the two-way switch is the way to go. It all depends on what he's after. mk   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 10:21 am:    True Mike. I'm just guessing that for the year (77) and single mini switch it's gonna be a two-way. Daveg - what do you think? six   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:08 pm:    It was a two way originaly. So That's the way I want it. Unless of course the pickups wont let me.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 7:32 pm:    You should be able to restore it to original condition with those pickups. mk   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 1-2006 Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 8:41 pm:    Well.. I took a quick look inside. I'm not much of a electrical savvy guy. So I'm not 100 percent. But I did take a look at the wires that were in there. Man.. They look old! Anyways.. I compared what I could see with the old one that didnt work and they don't look the same. So it could be that I don't have the right pickup. The old pickup has a few multi coloured wires. I'm 100 percent sure. I didn't take the pickup out or try and mess with the wires too much. They look very delicate and I don't want to break anything. Much like the idiot who "fixed" it in the first place. I was thinking about trying to do the work myself. But I must confess... I'm chicken. I don't want to mess it up. To be honest I really don't know how and wouldn't know where to start. I'm not a big fan of paying someone else to screw it up either. I guess this is why it's remained in it's current state of dis-repair.

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