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Author Message   Melis Username: Melis Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 10:24 am:    Hi, i got this one from ebay and i'm confused with the serial. the former owner colored it and there are no original parts but neck body and neckplate. so my question is: when was this one produced and what model is it??pf100/pf150 neckplate says "CE800013 Made in Japan" http://www.badongo.com/de/pic/1224100 head http://www.badongo.com/de/pic/1224024 i can't upload any photos of the front but it looks like the performer series. i hope those two pics will do thanks   Chipsotoole Username: Chipsotoole Registered: 2-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 11:57 pm:    I don't think there's enough to go on from your pics...serial number is confusing....   Melis Username: Melis Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 5:07 am:    there are more pictures but i haven't got any link to a picture of the front http://www.badongo.com/pic/1223998 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224024 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224035 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224059 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224100 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224135 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224273 http://www.badongo.com/pic/1224281 the front is colored in van halen like stripes but as i said this had been done by the original owner   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 5:31 am:    C followed by a second letter followed by a year etc. That makes me think of Challenger serial numbers. But even then it wouldn't make sense. Last may I explained how Challenger serial numbers were built up: ----------------------------------------------- "Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 6:36 pm: That's right: the first Challengers were from June 1977 and were all without the extra C (for Challenger). Then, in July 1977, the started with the first C-serial numbers: CG77xxxx The last were CA78xxxx. Then the C and the name Challenger disappeared because on the highest management level (the Hoshino family) they wanted no further provocation of the giant CBS/FMIC (Fender). As you know Silver comes second, and gold (Fender) comes first. If you call yourself the Challenger, means that you think you're even better than the ruling champion, and that you can beat him. The R&D staff wanted further improvements of the replica's, but they didn't get carte blanche as long as the products were real replicas that COULD lead to a lawsuit by Fender. The next step to avoid that, was changing the Fender replicas in such a way that they got a face of their own: the Roadsters, Blazers and Roadstars (II). If that decision had not been made, Ibanez would perhaps never had made these RG, JEM and Universe rock machines. So the fear for the Fender lawsuit was good for the independent thinking of the R&D department about bolt-on neck solid body guitars. Anyway, Challengers are available with the following serial numbers: -F77xxxx CG77xxxx CH77xxxx CI77xxxx CJ77xxxx CK77xxxx CL77xxxx CA78xxxx and that's it. Ginger" -------------------------------------------------- If you follow that system, this would be a neckplate of a: - Challenger - from May - 1980 On the 15th of July 2006, I was digging in these double letter serials too (and so was Mr Roadstar): ---------------------------------------------- "Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 8:14 am: Sorry Cappy, But your "ultimate list" doesn't cover this: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/13 /939.html#POST28629 An excerpt: Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 10:43 pm: That one is a nice one though. Also the first burst with a bullet. I'd say $450 on average but I've paid more than I should for guitars just because I "had" to have it. As long as your happy with it, it's worth what you pay. F770064 Black Strat W/O Bullet truss rod F770091 Sunburst Strat W/O Bullet truss rod CG770020 White Strat W/O Bullet truss rod CI770022 White Strat W/O Bullet truss rod CI770074 White Strat W/O Bullet truss rod CK770161 Black Jazz Bass CK770217 Natural Tele W/O Bullet truss rod CL770018 Natural Tele W/O Bullet truss rod CA780043 Natural Strat WITH Bullet CA780076 Sunburst Strat WITH bullet CA780085 Natural Strat WITH Bullet truss rod CA780286 Natural Tele WITH Bullet truss rod Five questions: 1) Does the C stand for Challenger? 2) Do the last 4 digits form the month production number for this particular model only? 3) Is this so four every model? 4) Albert Andrade wrote on October 08, 2004 - 11:07 in the thread Ibanez ES-175 Version "77" Vintage What's it worth"? (about his 2616): "The s/n is K776985." Does this, in your opinion, mean they produced at least 6985 Arist 2616 jazz boxes in October 1977? or is 6985 an overall production number for all models together in October 1977? 5) If the latter is the case, was the overall month production of Ibanez Japan always below 9999? Couldn't formulate this any shorter. But at least it's shorter than my 'thinking aloud' which John understandably removed. I'll do that in my text processor next time, then I won't loose the logical steps for my hypotheses. Greetz, Ginger Ale" ------------------------------------------------ According to what's known about Challengers, they started production in June 1977 and stopped using the Challenger name (and serial numbers in or just after January 1978. VERY CONFUSING, I need some COFFEE, right away! Ginger   Melis Username: Melis Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 7:16 am:    funny thing maybe it's an exception because it's a lefty?? do all performer models have bolt-on necks?? because a friend of mine has a performer with a set-in neck and he said that performers always have set-in necks. anyway thanks for the quick answers   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 2:29 pm:    Melis: I'll bet it's a 1980 PF150. They are shown in the German 1980, "Step Ahead" catalog. Having a "Challenger" style neck plate is pretty cool. I'll bet the "CE" means it was built in May. Are you trying to restore it?   Melis Username: Melis Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 5:05 am:    Yes I'm trying to restore it. But I think it's impossible to restore it with the original parts. I'm from Germany and I can't find any old Ibanez parts here. So I'll try to do my own project. Any suggestions? I think my biggest problem is the bridge. Because the holes for the bridge are straight and all bridges I found are slanted because of a better intonation   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 9:57 am:    http://www.ibanez.ru/info/catalog/1981/09.jpg As you can see, the LEFTHANDED PF150 has got a straight GIBRALTAR ONE (NICKELCHROME), and NOT a slanted ST bridge. They come off of broken low end models from ranges like Studio (like ST50), Artist (AR50) etc. If YOU are lucky you find someone with a broken low end set neck of this era. The expenses for a major neck repair are too high for these guitars. Best thing the owner can do, is sell the parts to people like you: tuners, bridge, tailpiece, pickups, pickup rings, harness with original Noble potmeters and switch, potmeter knobs, pickguard and bracket, truss rod cover. All these parts together are worth a few hundred bucks. That's better than to pay a luthier to mend the broken neck of a guitar that will never reach its old value again. What I saw 6 months ago or so, was that a nickelchrome Gibraltar is much cheaper than a gold one on eBay, because they are not suitable for restaurations of the high end models. So wait and you will be lucky one day. BTW, Jazzzbo is looking for the same bridge, so make an agreement that you don't bid against each other. His AR50 won't have an intonation problem with another bridge. Your PF150L may need all the intonation space available on the Gibraltar. Of course the location of the seller is very important too. Ginger   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:16 am:    Hmmm... I think this is interesting too... http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/12 /5227.html?1074901286 Ginger   Melis Username: Melis Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:45 am:    If I'll find someone with old parts I'll do this, but on ebay Germany this seems to be impossible and shipping from USA to Germany is very expensive. I've heard that Schaller builds bridges that can be set straight. So maybe I'll do this. Or I could drill a new hole to set in a slanted bridge. I was also wondering about the birch neck, this is quite unusual. Is is it similar to any other wood?   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 2:24 pm:    Every bridge can be set straight. The question is, whether you have enough space for the saddles to intonate the guitar properly with the straight bridge. I would NEVER drill a new hole in that top. OK, the 3ply birch neck. The fact that it is 3 ply makes it very stable, especially when the grain of the 3 pieces is in the opposite direction. Birch for a neck is something that we don't see that often, but what I remember from the detective series Columbo (with Peter Falk), was an episode in which the crook/preacher/singer JOHNNY CASH used a black flattop made of birch wood, which always travelled in its own seat. Johnny betrayed himself because he didn't take the guitar with him in his private airplane (because he had arranged a plane crash in which his wife should die)... blablabla... ladida... ANYWAY: BIRCH was good enough for the Man in Black, so it must be good enough for us. Ginger   Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 2:33 am:    Hi Mellis i got parts for your project. Please mail me offline. Greets Hasy

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