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Author Message   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 10:04 am:    I would like to start a database of pictures for the Super 80 pickup. Be sure to include both sides of the pickup including the wire details. We should have both 1/2 wire pickups as well as 3/4 wire pickups. If the pickup is installed in a guitar, a picture of the wiring cavity showing the pickup wires would suffice. I'm really curious to see how many different Super 80's were used and would really appreciate your help. Maybe the same should be done for Super 70's, V2's, 58's etc (in separate threads). Occasionally, people have questions and this information could be very helpful. Thanks very much for your help! Thanks, Michael   Fontadoni Username: Fontadoni Registered: 9-2007 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 10:30 am:    That's a great idea. Would this database be hosted here?   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 3:14 pm:    Just attach pictures to this thread. I'll be adding some as soon as I have time. If you want to create a Super 70, Super 58, etc. thread, go for it. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 4:00 pm:    Here's a set that just sold on eBay: One pickup appears to have 2 wires plus a shield. I'm guessing, but not sure, that the wires are green and black or white. The second pickup has 4 wires: red, black, yellow and blue but no shield. I'm not sure what guitar they came from. They are both wax-potted. It's a matched set. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 4:03 pm:    Here's another wax-potted Super 80 with red, black, yellow and blue but no shield. It's the bridge pickup on a 1976 Scruggs. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 4:07 pm:    This set supposedly came from a 1994 Custom Legend AR300CS. The Custom Legend guitars were made from leftover parts, however, I never seen Super 80's like these: red, white, blue & yellow wires and a mounting plate. I don't know how they are potted. The AR300CS had tri-sounds switches. mk   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 2:25 am:    Not sure these will help in terms of wires, since you can't see the connections, but I assume the neck pup is regular and the bridge is a tri-sound wiring. Of note, the pups are epoxy potted. These are from a May 1979 Artist 2630: Neck: Bridge:   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:27 am:    Can't see the wires, however, it's interesting to note that the bridge pup (which I assume has 3/4 wires due to the tri-sound) has a shield, which would be different than what's been posted so far. mk   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:20 am:    Mike, I did'nt have time to start pulling pups from guitars, but I went over the loose S80's in the toolbox..and found the following variants: Clear Epoxy, 3 point adj (modified), shielded 2 lead, stamped "Super 80";"Made in Japan" and serial number Epoxy, 2 point adj,shielded 2 lead, Stamped "super 80" & serial number-NO MIJ... Epoxy, MIJ sticker (like the headstock sticker), Large stamp serial number (like a S 70), 1x1 adj, shielded 2 lead..NO SUPER 80 DESIGNATION Clear Epoxy, Red/White/Blue/gr black vinyl lead, 3 point adjust, Blue tape visable, NO MIJ DESIGNATION I don't think there is anything earth shattering here. My guess is that the LArge stamp/sticker ones are early. The clear epoxy is later....   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 1-2002 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:23 am:    Chuck....'ow bout a fret dress on that 2630, looks like you might have had a gassing problem at one time.......   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:27 am:    Yeah, the binding around the neck, though not cracked, is pulling away at points. I'll ask today about a fret dressing when I bring it in to have the electronics cleaned up.   Guitarwhisperer Username: Guitarwhisperer Registered: 6-2007 Posted on Friday, December 07, 2007 - 7:16 pm:    I think the waxy looking epoxy ones are from the standard artists, like the 2617, and the clear epoxy ones are from the signature models, at least that's the way it seems to me. My 1978 2617 artist has the beeswax, and my Bob Weir from the same year has the clear epoxy. Has anybody else had a similar experience? The opaque epoxy doesn't saturate the coils. It mainly plugs the bottom. Those ones are easy to take apart and repair if needed. I don't know how far the clear epoxy ones penetrate into the coils.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2007 - 10:41 pm:    Does anyone have any exposed Super 80's (ie: with the cover taken off)? If so, please post pictures (3/4 wire pickup preferred). Also - has anyone ever rotated one coil of a humbucker by 180 degrees for special wiring needs? Assuming I can remove the cover from a Super 80, do you think this is possible? tnx, mk   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 6:38 am:    "has anyone ever rotated one coil of a humbucker by 180 degrees" If you mean changing the polarity (and therefore phase) of one half of a humbucker it can be done by changing the order of wire usage. This is easy with 4-wired humbucker but requires internal changes of 2-wired. Trisound witches (a.o.) use this to change the operation of a humbucker. http://www.1728.com/guitar1a.htm http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringre sources.11pickupcolorcodes/ http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm Juha   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 8:14 am:    Juha - yes, you are correct, however, that's not exactly what I'm looking to do... mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 6:10 pm:    Cappy sent me this catalog scan. It's actually posted elsewhere on ICW. Great stuff. How about that mysterious Super Single??? mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 6:13 pm:    This one should be more readable. I have a hi-res version if anyone wants. mk   Ekkerman Username: Ekkerman Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 2:03 am:    wow i just love these old advertising leaflets! could this super single be the forerunner of the super 58?   Jerryneves Username: Jerryneves Registered: 3-2001 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 2:49 am:    Was the Super Single ever used on a production guitar?   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:42 am:    Well gang there are some little mysteries in life that may never be solved unless we get access to the PRYAMID OF IBANEZ mmmwwaaaahhaa Sorry guys , what I have given MK is what I've got and trust me I have asked for a lot more from Japan from those days...sadly the info does not exsist Cappy   Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:45 am:    You know that 3 sided pointy thing from Egypt with the Ibanez logo on it... Cappy   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:55 am:    According to this catalog, the 2618/12 has the Super Single pickup: http://www.ibanez.ru/info/catalog/1978/06.jpg Does anyone have this guitar? Can anyone post pictures of the back of this pickup? mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:57 am:    Here we go...2618/12 w/ Super Single in neck position: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/10 04482/1000283.html Search ICW to find other discussions regarding this pickup. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:00 am:    Pickup picture: There still seems to be great debate as to if this pickup actually existed. I for sure cannot tell that this is a single coil by looking at it. mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:05 am:    Check out these pictures. Weir prototype??? I think it's the same guitar. Do you think it has a single coil in the middle (as Weir did)? mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:09 am:    More Weirdness: Notice the pickup part numbers: The humbucker part numbers all begin '2680-'. Coincidence?? mk   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 9:42 am:    Grateful just picked up a 2618/12, I believe. Also, I just got my 2630 back from the tech after having its electronics tightened up. Turns out it is the Neck Pup that has the tri-sound switch, not the bridge pup. I always thought it was the other way around. I actually prefer the switch on the neck pup, so if this is a goof up, I'm keeping it this way. -Chuck   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:26 pm:    Does this help?   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 1-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:32 pm:    "Originally designed for Jerry Garcia to replace standard humbuckings" MK...HOW THE •••• DID YOU MISS THAT?!!! ...pretty cool   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 6:50 pm:    Does this help?   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:10 pm:    Good eye Strings   Fox Username: Fox Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:18 pm:    MK and other fellow Ibanez-fans, you could easily tell if a pickup is really a singlecoil one by measuring it's dc-resistance... Your "average" Super80 shows circa 7,9-8 kilo-ohms, so the singlecoil version should measure 'bout four. My 2618-12 is not available for measuring, my son (a guitarist) has the guitar on loan.. But we return to this subject in the near future...   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:32 pm:    Strings - you must be kidding! Of course I saw it! How you doing buddy?? mk   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:34 pm:    Fox: My AR500 w/ Super 80's: humbucker = 8.2 single coil = 4.1 phase reversal = 8.2 Common misperception: phase reversal involves two pickups, even though the output is less. Yes - Grateful - do you have a meter to measure your pickups? mk   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:40 pm:    Not a chance. Sorry MK   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 9:37 pm:    Just curious - where do you live? mk   Grateful66 Username: Grateful66 Registered: 8-2007 Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:25 pm:    I live in a silver mine and I call it Beggar's Tomb.

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