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Acetan
Username: Acetan
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:03 pm: | |
...check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33043&item=7325193177&rd= 1 |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 12:05 am: | |
Nice early 2619 but what happened to the headstock ? Overspray ? |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 7:21 am: | |
It looks as if the headstock is yellowing somehow. From "in the case too long syndrome". |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 7:24 am: | |
Here is the photo....
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Michaelkaufman
Username: Michaelkaufman
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 8:27 am: | |
What are purflings?
tnx.
mk |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 8:45 am: | |
Freak..I've seen well over a thousand Artists in the last 10 years or so, never something like this-looks to me like the headstock was oversprayed with poly at some time and it was put on to thick..notice the non stock nut and two different tuners & mildly messed up headstock decal-someone worked on this one at one time...did ya notice the cool 2 piece TR cover ? I have a couple of those... |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:17 am: | |
Hello, I see a post was started about the guitar we have for sale. My first question was already answered, which would have been the exact model on it. As far as the headstock goes, in person the guitar headstock looks like it is faded. We got the guitar back in 1999 or 2000.(I forget when) The headstock was already like that when we got it. It did not have a case when we got it, so I am thinking the case theory is out of the equation, but one never knows. I was thinking the guitar was left like sitting in a spot such as a window area for years where the guitar had sunlight on the headstock and thus is faded it? Enjoy the guitar and good luck bidding on it. I will try to get another picture of the headstock showing it better. |
Ibanezfreak1960
Username: Ibanezfreak1960
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 1:07 pm: | |
Bruceswar, There is another post in Captain Ibanez's section on some headstocks that were lifting and changing color 1st. That's waht led me to this conclusion about the case issue. But sun baking sounds feasable also! |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 3:44 pm: | |
I am sure when I get the new picture up it will be more telling and someone on here will be able to tell why it happened. |
Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:28 pm: | |
This thing is pre-serial, correct? I would think that such an early 2619 with the purfling and single tri-sound would have a script logo. I know that there is no real hard-fast rules on when the logos changed. But considering there is already some question about the headstock and the fact that it has a (poorly placed) block logo would tend to make me think along the same lines as Dave. If I were to guess, I would say that this has had some sort of work done on the headstock. Just my 2 cents...
js |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 11:23 pm: | |
Hello Js,
This is indeed pre-serial. After doing some research on the guitar this seems to be why there is no serial number on it. The headstock is a Mystery, but still a nice guitar. When did they stop with the pre-serial?
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:33 am: | |
If there is no serial number on the back of the headstock, I would take a real close look at the headstock for signs of respray or some other major work done that required a LOT of sanding.... I have three of these with the same hardware (including splitter switch), neck joint, unusual hand applied neck & body stain job,and abalone purfiling..all three have a very heavily embossed serial number on the headstock (not filled in like the later serial numbers) I have an "A77", "B77" & and "H77" If it has not ben repaired, this could be a transition model... |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:55 am: | |
I will take some more photos tomorrow of the headstock, front and back so yall can debate on what happen to it. If you would like to use any of the auction photo for anything feel free to or you can contact me for the originals as the auction files have been sized down alot to take up a bit less space. IM me on AIM at Bruceswar if you would like. Thanks for your interest.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 9:43 am: | |
IM ? Is that a AOL reference ? Bruce (I'm a great fan of all your pictures)you probably VERY tired of those jokes !........ anyway a closeup of the back of the headstock should solve the mystery-its a really nice guitar and I think, with very little effort, the headstock can be refurbished. If you could send that pict to me at my email address, I'd appreciate it
DAve |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 3:43 pm: | |
IM referring to an Instant Message... I have AOL Instant Messanger or AIM... My name is Bruceswar and you can contact me. As soon as I get a picture of the back of the headstock I will post it and or email it you. The jokes are always a good laugh. I am used to it now. |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 5:54 pm: | |
Note that it's a late model type 1 2619 (if there is such a thing) as the tailpiece is set way back nearly level with the neck pickup control knob.
Makes me think the logo maybe ok as close to being transitional with the later solid cloud tailpiece (type 2) that is set back on the body in this position.
Earlier 2619's had the tailpiece a little closer to the bridge say like a Les Paul.
Then again, if the front of the headstock has been refinished, the original script logo could have been lost as this was most likely a transfer and not an inlay.
My 2681 Weir has a block logo transfer and that's a 76 model.
Food for thought...
six |
Yogi
Username: Yogi
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 6:36 pm: | |
What about another interesting feature of that guitar: It has 24 frets! I never heard of a 2619 with that feature, the only one I know of is the 2618. Did I miss something?
Juergen |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 6:05 pm: | |
Well spoted Jergen,
Okay, Dave G has just bought a 2618 with block inlays.
What do you think Dave?
That explains the tailpiece being further back like a 2618.
Now it's just possible that a previous owner has added a coil tap in exactly the right place as a 2619 or it's another factory anomaly/experiment.
WEIRD
six |
Acetan
Username: Acetan
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:29 pm: | |
...for awhile, I thought nobody is going to catch the extra frets. Another odd-ball maybe?
Ace |
Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:47 pm: | |
I was too distracted by the headstock anomalies to worry about the frets!
Gives a new meaning to the term "Ibanez Freaks".
js |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:15 am: | |
What do you mean by a new meaning to Ibanez Freaks?
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:16 am: | |
Almost forgot, Sorry for taking so long on the new pictures they will be up tomorrow, of the headstock that is.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 7:47 am: | |
Six...I have been playing the 2618 extensively for the last couple of days and I'm gonna change out the pups for 58's-the S80's are just a bit bright for my purposes I'll keep the S80's covers on for looks)..otherwize she's a pleasure to play-very nice fast neck and not as heavy as the later 80's era Artists.
I took a look at the other 3 2619's I have with the purfiling and note the following differences...
All three have the early single pc cloud type stop.
All three have the "Harmonic-o-matic (#198)" type bridge
All three have 22 frets
With this in mind, and noting that one of my guitars is a January '77 manufacture, this guitar may be a transition (mid to late '76) guitar !-still doesn't explain the lack of a serial number or the mysterious yellowing though.......
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 3:23 pm: | |
Well I dunno.... it's all strange stuff ain't it?
Pickup swap sounds nice. You gonna have a punt on this one Dave?
six |
Ericibanez
Username: Ericibanez
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:53 pm: | |
The headstock fade is not any overspray. I've got a 77 Concord acoustic that has this phenomena all over the body and particu;arly the headstock. I've had that guitar since 1980 when I bought it from the original owner. It looked fine then but over the years it has developed a milky whitish haze under the finish. The only thing that I can think of is that the finish has "cured" with moisture from humidity in it. |
Ericibanez
Username: Ericibanez
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:55 pm: | |
Also, a lot of sunlight can yellow a finish. Ultraviolet rays! |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:48 pm: | |
Six wadda u think ? |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:49 pm: | |
Hello,
As promised here are the pictures of the headstock front and back. Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:53 pm: | |
Here a bit better pics....
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Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:54 pm: | |
Bruce...Is the back of the headstock scratched up, or is it just a bad pict ? |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:59 pm: | |
The back is not bad just the quality when trying to get it under 50k makes it look bad |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:41 am: | |
Here are the pictures in all there glory and not compromised...
http://www.musiciansheadquarters.com/headstock1
http://www.musiciansheadquarters.com/headstock2
Now you can see what it really looks like. Hope that helps.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:45 am: | |
Almost forgot.... you can click the bottom right of the picture to enlarge it even more....too bad you can't edit post...
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 9:44 am: | |
Bruce, Thats a very interesting and nice geetar you have there |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:48 pm: | |
The Auction is over and it looks like someone got a great deal on it.... Did one of the forumites win it?
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:00 am: | |
Bruce:
Luggage4Le$$ is our very own Dave_G.
Hey, thanks for being with us for the duration of the auction and being so generous with your answers and great pictures! |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:48 am: | |
Bruce, don't worry that geetar is in good hands and will never be lonely ! |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:56 am: | |
OK..so I need a PU ring, NOS bridge and Stop..already have the tuners and Pups....Anyone have spares that they can part with for cash or trade ? |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:11 am: | |
Dave_G,
Enjoy the guitar and please let us know how it turns out as it seems you are going to restoring it a bit. Good luck. I am sure you already know this but the guitar plays well. You also collect Electra guitars? If so we night have a guitar for you.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:12 am: | |
Almost forgot... I am sure Dave will be able to explain the headstock, as to what happen to it.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:39 pm: | |
Looks like you punted while I was asleep over here Dave  .
I was pretty tempted except for the 24 frets.
Nice one Dave
six |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:07 pm: | |
Six, I know what ya mean-but I like the sound of the 24 fret (like the 2618) its a little thinner than a 22 fret (has to do with the relative positioning of the PUP. I play in a band with a bunch of Strats and I really need that thinner sound or the Vintage Ibanez 'Buckers really cream the strato sound. I really don't mind the 24 fret neck-its just a different sound.... |
Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 6:01 pm: | |
I just cant get on with the scale. I get confused and the whole thing seems longer in the neck to me.
Had the same trouble when the original PRS's came out in the mid 80's. Nice guitar, confused the hell out of me.
six |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:41 pm: | |
Well, I got the guitar today and its about as expected. Sure enough the headstock and the entire guitar has been sprayed. In fact, as I suspected, extensive work has been done on this guitar sometime in its life.
1) Pups are Duncans, one of the pots is a CTS and -interesting find-the splitter switch IS NOT ORIGINAL !
2) The baby has had a refret in the past-a very good pro job-even kept the little tabs on the ends of the binding intact.
3) the body shows signs of EXTENSIVE PLAYWEAR including areas on the neck near the binding which are worn thru the finish to raw wood, and evidence if playwear on the front of the guitar (where a pickguard would be if it were a Les Paul) agai to the raw wood. Both of these areas , suprisingly enough, are protected with a very professionally applied laquer coat. Really , this job is flawless, except for the obvious botched headstock.
4) Headstock oversprayed with way too much laquer and an incompatible laquer to the original finish.
There is no serial number present on this guitar and no evdience that there ever was one
Yes its missing the last fret marker and it never had one..
The guitar is an excellant playing instrument with an arrow straight neck with just the right amount of relief & the smooth feel of a well broken in guitar.
What makes it unusual is the lack of serial number, the original lack of splitter switch, and the missing fretmarker.
Note the very early thin posted "tunomatic" type bridge and LP type stop (both are original).
I managed to clean up the headstock (although in the process I did a little damage to the headstock decal, but I'll fix it next week when the laquer dries. Check out the progress pictures..
No evdience of any serial number...
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Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 5:51 am: | |
Looks like you have done a good bit of work on the guitar. Enjoy it. Guitars are made to be played.
Thanks,
Bruce Lee |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 8:13 am: | |
Heres a first look without touchups and laquer
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Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 9:33 am: | |
So, what exactly have you done, so far? Use stripper or sandpaper? How are you going to ensure that the new lacquer won't yell like the last? |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 11:03 am: | |
John, Used 800, 1000, 1200, 1500, 2000 & 2500 grit wet/dry sandpaper to get the old gunk off. I had to do a little touching up & I crunched the decal a little, but it cleaned up real good. Your looking at 4 layers of nitro-I'll go 10-12 more , carefully sanding with 1500 & 2000 inbetween layers and finishing with compound and swirl remover sometime next month (this process takes FOREVER !. I have never had a problem with nitro yellowing like that. |
Bruceswar
Username: Bruceswar
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 3:41 am: | |
Dave how did the guitar turn out? |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 7:47 am: | |
Awesome ! |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 9:25 am: | |
Dave:
Talk's cheap.  Can we see some pictures, please. |
Oldguy
Username: Oldguy
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 11:49 pm: | |
It doesn't take a rocket sci to figure out why there are no serial numbers after noticing there was repair work. Might want to check with the local police dept. And by the by, I noticed that two of the tuning peg covers had been replaced, and I happen to have lost two tuning covers exactly like those in a local shop repair on my "78" 2917. mmmmmmmmm |
Acetan
Username: Acetan
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:56 am: | |
The two "E" machine heads are totally different even though they are Ibanez's. The back covers are probably original.
Ace |
Dave_g
Username: Dave_g
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:46 pm: | |
Good eye Ace, those "e" tuners are from an 80's era Ibanez..The guitar has Pearl on it now ! |