Weird bridge setup on my new Artist.

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Author Message   Fompsweeva Username: Fompsweeva Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 5:30 pm:    not knowing artists, I assumed that this was normal, and the the original had it too: The new bridge (a schaller roller bridge) is fitted on a piece of wood that fits the hole. This is a 1979 2618... Any comments? I'm thinking about taking this guitar back... with the serial number... god. I don't think I'd get what I paid for it back.   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 5:53 pm:    I can't tell for sure as the route looks a bit on the thin side, but I believe it's for the original sustain block, which was probably removed when the new bridge was installed. There was a guy on eBay (risquebusiness, I think was his ID) that had a NOS sustain block. You should be able to reinstall the sustain block and re-mount an original Gibraltar bridge with no problem. If you decide you don't want to deal with the guitar, I can take it off your hands;I'm in the market for a 2618 ! js   Fompsweeva Username: Fompsweeva Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 6:04 pm:    Are you aware of all the quirks of this guitar? If not, have a look in this thread: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/12/14214.html?1137392087 I paid AUD$719 for it... now, not knowing that I was getting the gouged out back, and the various other things that aren't original/ slightly dodgy... I'm considering returning it for a refund. Kind sucks as I've put time into cleaning it up and making it all nice (except for the back... impossible?) I'm considering either doing that or getting the whole back and sides refinished, getting a new 'cloud' piece, a brass block made and a gold bridge, get either a new tailpiece (original) or my current one re-plated. I don't know if this guitar is worth the investment. Any ideas, guys?   Jeffsailor Username: Jeffsailor Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 6:27 pm:    I was only kidding about taking it off your hands... Personally, and this is speaking purely as a collector, I would take it back. As a player, I would only be concerned about how it plays, how it sounds, if it's structurally sound and that the hardware is fully functional. Its cosmetic condition would be the last thing on my list. But the bottom line is you have to decide if you're satisfied with the guitar or not. That really should be the only criteria you use to determine your course of action. js   Skybone Username: Skybone Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 6:28 pm:    On your original thread, when you were asking about the guitar, I assumed you'd given it a good looking over, and researched into the Artist a bit before buying it. Apologies if there was any misconception.   Fompsweeva Username: Fompsweeva Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 7:20 pm:    I'd done some research, but when I went to the store, there were a few things I wasn't sure about. Anyway, I've found someone selling their vintage Ibanez collection, so I'm going to go see what he has and take it back if I find something. If not, I might get it done up.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 9:11 am:    Fomp.... what's in this collection that's being sold?   Fompsweeva Username: Fompsweeva Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:06 pm:    Remember a guy called Munch? It's his gear.   Tubescorcher Username: Tubescorcher Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:40 pm:    Does Munch have an AR500 he wants to part with?   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 1:21 pm:    Munch has a beautiful refinished Black PF400. Is that for sale?   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 2:46 pm:    Tube... did you ask about the ar500 to get me riled up? (just kidding.) I've been struggling to find one at a decent/fair price.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:12 am:    And what would that amount be Bob?...a decent/fair question.   Bluepill Username: Bluepill Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 1:28 am:    Fompsweeva where abouts did you buy the guitar from in Aus?? Just interested   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 9:25 am:    Strings, If I could find one in decent shape in the $1,000 zone I would be happy. I know I can do it. It will just take time. I got real good deals on the mc500nt, the '78 2622 and the ar1200av. I don't mind waiting til the right axe and price come along. It will happen eventually and while I wait, I've got those 3 to keep me amused. I think I would let the 2622 go if I get the ar500 but... I won't feel good about it. The 2622 is a heck of alot of fun, near mint condition, a great player and I've grown quite fond of it. Actually, the more I think about it...I really don't think I'd part with it. Even if I get the other guitar. Nevermind.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 9:33 am:    Just so you know Bob...the AR500 would not be an upgrade to the 2622 (unless it were a '79). Otherwise it is a TOTALLY different guitar. So, if you do swap it out, you will give up everything you appreciate about the 2622 - size, balance, neck-feel, sound. Best, Strings   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:36 am:    Yeah, like I said Strings, I just would not be able to part with the 2622. And... here's something extremely silly... I love the way my 2622 smells! (I admit that's ridiculous.) But nevertheless, it's true. It actually smells like it's been in a cigar humidor. You know that awesome smell of Spanish Cedar? (I smoke the occassional fine cigar)...Well, for some strange reason, my 2622 smells like Spanish Cedar, that's the wood that the inside of cigar humidors are made from. It's the weirdest thing! But, I get a kick out of it. I am strange. Great guitar. I'm surprised that folks on this site don't rave about their 2622's more often. It's quite the guitar.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:03 am:    There is not enough space on this site for me to rave on 'bout the 2622...but I do think it takes a certain touch to bring out its finest tones. I rarely ever boost the EQ past "5" on either the 2622 or my '79 AR500 . I'm VERY surprised that you and MK got yours for less than a grand...WITH THE FLIGHT CASE...count your blessings! ;O)   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:30 am:    '78 ar2622 = $800 with the flight case. '78 mc500nt = $900 and then an ICW member was unbelievably kind enough to give me a flight case for it. '83 ar1200av = $1,050 w/original case in near mint condition. To me, these guitars/cases were good scores especially considering that all 3 of them are in remarkable condition. So... this is why I believe if I take my time I will get the right ar500 at the right price. I missed one about a week or two ago that was a few blocks from my home! I just didn't know about it til it was too late. I am working on another one right now. Hopefully, I will get this one.   Overdriver Username: Overdriver Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 1:05 am:    Many people think that the brass sustain block and large Gibraltar bridge can actually detract from the sustain capabilities of these guitars. If you remember brass was the big thing in the late '70s .....I guess Ibanez believed in that philosophy too but changed their minds, as the '80s Artists had no sustain blocks. All I know is that my '78 2619 has a couple of dead spots....not too serious but I wonder if that has anything to do with the sustain block?   Fompsweeva Username: Fompsweeva Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:27 am:    Bluepill - Bought from Cash Converters in Adelaide (South Road)   Gramatica Username: Gramatica Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 7:24 am:    Egads - "Cash Converters" is Satan's representative on earth! We have them in Canada too... Peter   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:56 pm:    Overdriver - Interesting thought. However, the only dead spot I've suffered on one of my three with brass sutain blocks is from an out-of-whack fret in the scaling. Once fixed it was all good. Otherwise, the block almost seems to add too much sustain/harmonizing if I am not careful. I DO get incredible holds and very low volume feedback on notes I would never get to with my '71 Gibo LP Custom...and she's 10 lbs of pure mahogany, ebony board with new fret wires/setup. Best, Strings   Overdriver Username: Overdriver Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 5:25 pm:    Strings-Interesting too It's probably not my brass block, but I wish I knew what it is. If I bend my B string at the 15th fret up to E, my 2619 Artist has noticably less sustain than on any other notes on the fretboard bent in the same way. My 2618 has no such problems (in fact, it has the sort of sustain you talk about), and nor does my '80 AR100 (with no brass block). I don't think there's a fret problem, but I'll check. I've had many different pickups on the 2619 and have some great Bareknuckle Nailbombs on it right now. It sounds fantastic but the dead spot's still there. BTW. If you ever check the Les Paul forum they're always arguing about whether weight has anything to do with sustain and the conclusion always appears to be that it's down to the individual instrument, not the weight one way or the other.

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