Need help... Super 70's or Super 80's...

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Author Message   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:29 pm:    Just bought a new to me Ibanez Artist 2619. I believe that it's a transitional model. Built in 1977 it looks like a cross between a 2619 and a 2618. It has abalone purfiling around it and only one coil switch. I would like to post a picture of it.. But I dont know how... I would like to know what kind of pickups are in it. Super 70's or Super 80's.. It has gold hardware and flying finger pickup covers... Any help would be appreciated!   Skybone Username: Skybone Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:42 pm:    Posting pics... Not sure... I think you upload it to a server (photobucket/ISP account/etc), then post the URL... But don't quote me on that one. ;) I used to have an early '77 2619 like yours (sold it for a Tokai), it should have the tail-piece & "cloud" as a single piece, not as separate pieces as on later models. My '77 had a "Flying Fingers" Super80 in the neck. and someone had put a DiMarzio in the bridge, and the single 2-way switch changed the phase of the bridge pickup only. Great guitars, which seem to be quite rare. I've certainly not seen, or heard, of very many.   Skybone Username: Skybone Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:46 pm:    Best way to tell which pickups are in the guitar is to take them out the next time you change the strings. I have a '79 2619 now, and the Super80's in that have "Super80" stamped on the underside/baseplate of the pickup. Of course, I'm sure one of the more knowledgeable board members will correct any inaccuracies...   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:27 pm:    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7383653388&ssPageName=ST RK:MEWN:IT   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 9:24 pm:    Maybe Dave_G knows? In the evil world of eBay, he's known as Ecomtrust or Luggage4Less.   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 11:21 pm:    Well.. That doesn't sound good... Great!   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:55 am:    The model that you have is in between the early 2619, which originally had the pearl inlay around the body and a single phase switch and was fitted with super70's. Yours has the next version with the cloud tailpiece fitted with the super80's. Still, the only way to really tell is to take the pup out and check.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:33 am:    Snow, As far as I know the 2619 never had Super 70's. The earlier Artist (2614) with the bolt neck had Super 70's (Logo), but the "modern" Artist (2617, 2618, 2619, 2622)all had Super 80's with the "flying finger" covers, or later V2's and Super 58'. ..   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:24 am:    The purfling is very nice. Is the switch a two-way or three-way switch? Does it give you a single coil option or is it just a phase option? Did most 2619's have 1 or 2 coil switches? mk   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:59 pm:    I thought that most had two two way selectors.. Mine only has one two way selector and a pickup selector switch... I originally asked this question because I saw a description of this exact same guitar in the Ibanez online register. Someone there lists it as having super 70's. That's why I was curious... I guess the only way to know is to carefully take the pickup out and look at the back...   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:47 pm:    Yeah...knowing that seller...he probably pocketed the Super80s and hijacked some Sears magnets, put the finger-covers on them and called it good. I do have one pressing question for you Russ... How does it sound??   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:22 pm:    Strings...I sold that guitar to Russell, and you don't know me at all ,-so why ya bashing ? That guitar has the original super 80's in it-just like the auction states}.   Michaelkaufman Username: Michaelkaufman Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:41 pm:    I'm pretty sure it was a joke... mk   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:37 pm:    Dave...I'm not even gonna answer. And now I know you a bit better per your last post. I am curious...do the smileys display on your browser??   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:51 pm:    Dave, The early 2619's were fitted with super70's according to the catalogue for 1975/6. This model had the the purfling, single phase switch, and LP style bridge and tailpiece. This one is a newer version, and I'd be pretty certain they are super80's. But you the man who knows this guitar.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 6:09 pm:    I don't know what to say, I always thought the "flying fingers" were a sure indication of Super 80's......Looks like both the '75 style (Abalone Purfiling, Super 70's, LP type stop tail, Harmonic-o-matic Bridge (323 type), Script logo) AND the early '77 type (Abalone Purfling, Super 80's, Fancy tailpc (#225), Harmonic-o-matic Bridge (#198), New Logo) were BOTH transition models to the later '77-'79 2619, then, inturn, "became" the AR300. This later model-which was produced for at least 2 1/2 years-is the most common type of Artist of this era and has no purfling (except for the 2617 model)   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:13 pm:    Snow, are those Flying Fingers on the p-ups? Hard to say from the pic but the emboss/stamp looks more like they might be script logos...can you tell at your end?   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:27 pm:    I see nothing wrong with the guitar that Dave has sold to Russell. It's a transitional 2619 with a 1 piece cloud tail, the wider bridge, block logo and Super 80's. I call this the type 2 variation. Some of you regular guys need to do your homework on the 2619 and then you'll spot all the subtle differences. six   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:39 pm:    I have heard of some early Flying Fingers being super70' the same as the early MC series were also super70's. On the Early Artist guitars I have seen, they were the script logo type. The one Russell has should be super80's, but if Dave didn't take'm out to check, maybe it'd be worth checking.   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:01 pm:    I've seen the Super 80 was a Super 70 thing printed too Snowy but I reckon it was a misprint. Maybe El' Capitani can put us right on that one. six   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:47 pm:    Apparently, the Capt says that if it has Flying Finger pickups then its got super 80's..   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:20 pm:    Snow... No reason the mess with a 25 year old guitars pickups-the design on the cover tells the story..ie..If it has the "flying fingers" logo embossed....its a super 80. Super 70s showed up as open bobbin (creme, black and zebra), with dust covers (Deluxe 59er), plain covers & Ibanez embossed logo covers-they appear with both 2 point and three point mount, but I have never seen one with the "flying fingers" logo. I believe that the early MC guitars had the Super 77 pickups under the plastic cover before they went to the Super 88....   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:39 pm:    Dave, I'm pullin my MC200 apart as we speak, but I'm certain it said super70.   Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:54 pm:    It's a Super 70. If I can figure out how a digital camera works I'll send you the pic.   Skybone Username: Skybone Registered: 03-2001 Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 4:44 am:    I see nothing wrong with the guitar that Dave has sold to Russell. It's a transitional 2619 with a 1 piece cloud tail, the wider bridge, block logo and Super 80's. I call this the type 2 variation. Some of you regular guys need to do your homework on the 2619 and then you'll spot all the subtle differences. Six is right, like I said in an earlier post, I OWNED A 1977 2619 EXACTLY THE SAME as the one Russ has bought, and it looks fine to me.   Strings Username: Strings Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:15 am:    RH, 25+ posts, concerns and physical descriptions on this axe and no report on how she sounds. So, whaddaya think?   Russellhodgson Username: Russellhodgson Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 6:13 pm:    Well... I'm sorry to say that I haven't been able to try it yet.. My amp is at a friends.. I will be trying it this weekend.. I will let you know! I'm happy to see that I created so much conversation!   Hasenobu Username: Hasenobu Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 9:07 am:    Russell wrote: >Apparently, the Capt says that if it has Flying Finger pickups then its got super 80's.. Although I highly value Captain's remark, I must declare this is not always the case. 2618/12 does have Flying Finger pu covers, but they are not Super80s, but "Ibanez special design coil Super Single," P.U.s w/ Flying-finger covers.   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 12:15 pm:    Hasenobu..please send pix !   Hasenobu Username: Hasenobu Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 5:48 pm:    Dave, Here's one for you. The picture below shows a 2618/12 model made in 1979. The guitar itself is shown in the following URL: http://www.geocities.jp/ar_lovers_room/ourARs/parist19792618AV.html   Dave_g Username: Dave_g Registered: 01-2002 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 6:47 pm:    Hasenobu...Sure look like Super 80's to me ! Where did the "Ibanez special design coil Super Single" come from ? Courious that those PUPS look to be of mid 80's vintage (with the clear epoxy potting) and the git is a 1979....Weird, Huh ? I have several of the '78/'79 Artists-they all have super 80's with the yellowish epoxy potting. Perhaps the 12 string used a different design PUP. Just goes to show-never be suprsed with Ibanez...   Hasenobu Username: Hasenobu Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 8:22 pm:    Dave, As I'm in my office right now, I can't upload other pictures showing "Super80" which will indicate the difference clearly. "Super80's" have a stamp on the back, don't they? The one shown above has only a stamp of its serial number. And yes, I agree to you in that the 12 string model used a different type of pickups.

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