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Author Message   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:46 pm:    Hello. I playing Ibanez since 1978 and I got several Ibanez. At the Moment I got three Artwoods from about 1979. I made a little homepage - http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/ - and now I am searching other owners to start a list of their serial-numbers. I am interessing in Artwoods from the first and the second series. There are the AW-100, AW-90, AW-95, AW-70, AW-75, AW-60, AW-40, AW-30, AW-20, AW-25 - look: http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte79_2.html Than there are the AW-120, AW-160, AW-200 - look: http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte79_3.html Than there are the AW-70 LTD, AW-120 LTD, AW-160 LTD, AW-200 LTD - sorry no prospekt, but they exist Than the second serie there are the AW-80, AW-60, AW-20, AW-30, AW-40, AW-50, AW-25 und AW-35 - look: http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte81.html and http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte82.html I need the modell, the serial and the owner. Any Artwood for sell, give me a note. Thanks for support. Wolfgang   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:21 am:    Wolfgang, I own a 1981 AW-75. Branded in the wood at the base of the neck block, visible from inside the soundhole, are the following two lines: O810098 AW-75 The first "O" in the branded serial number is likely the factory code for Owari Asahi (i.e., not a zero). It is also likely that mine was the 98th guitar (or, perhaps, just the neck) built in that factory in 1981. The soundhole label itself has no serial number, but lists the model number again, as follows: Ibanez(R) artwood series Hand crafted from select solid woods in Owari Asahi Japan MODEL NO: AW-75 MADE IN JAPAN (printed signature of M. Honda) I bought it on 13-Aug-1981 (new) from Sam Ash music stores for $380.00(US) + 7% sales tax (New York). It was the only AW-75 I ever saw in the New York stores where I shopped. If you ever choose to sell any of your Artwoods, Wolfgang -- particularly the AW-70 LT -- please let me know.   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:45 am:    Hello Chazmo. I want to sell my AW70: http://kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/sammlung/AW70 _01.jpg Can send more photos and informations, if you want. I need your mail-adress. Regards   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:02 pm:    ^ I sent you email, Wolfgang!   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 8:46 pm:    Here is the list: First Series: IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - USA IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70LTD (91101300) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany Second Series: IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany Thanks for helping. I hope it grows. Regards   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 5:09 am:    Here is the list: First Series: IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - USA IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-70LTD (91101300) - Germany IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. - 3-piece back(?) IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany Second Series: IBANEZ ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany Thanks for helping. I hope it grows. Regards   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 1:38 pm:    The list grows: ******************************************** First Series: ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - USA ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. 3-piece back(?) ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 105th of 120 (91101300) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 24th of 120 (91101228) - Germany ******************************************** Second Series: ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany ******************************************** Thanks for helping. Regards   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 9:13 am:    The one I have says, "Ibanez Artwood Series Hand crafted from select solid woods in Owari Asahi Japan" The serial number is 0608045 AW-60 The list grows: ******************************************** First Series: ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-60 (0608045) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. 3-piece back(?) ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 105th of 120 (91101300) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 24th of 120 (91101228) - Germany ******************************************** Second Series: ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany ******************************************** Thanks for helping. Regards   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 8:16 pm:    By the way, Wolfgang, We were theorizing that the "6" was actually an "8", but we never got pictures to confirm/deny either way from that fellow with the AW-60.   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 5:56 am:    The list grows: ******************************************** First Series: ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. 3-piece back(?) ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 105th of 120 (91101300) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 24th of 120 (91101228) - Germany [ARTWOOD AW-60 (0608045) - U.S.A. - waiting for answer.] ******************************************** Second Series: ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany ******************************************** Thanks for helping. Regards   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:29 pm:    Wolfgang, We have an AW-15 second series owned by axecollector on the Ibanez forum: http://www.ibanez.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11 685&PN=1 I can't find any catalog information on an AW-15 (1983, 83050037D), can you? Take a look at the label here: http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/axecollec tor/Ibanez%20Artwood%2012%20Select/LabelClearest.j pg I told him to come on over here. He might want to sell.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:40 pm:    I was thinking, you might want to look at all his pictures. The headstock is very interesting, in that the A/W in the middle seems to indicate 1985 (at least from what I can see in the catalogs). That doesn't jive from the serial number, though, and I still see no mention of an AW-15 model. The fact that they were still using 5 for the ones digit was the old numbering scheme for 12-strings, also indicating that this must be a series 2. For series 3, I think they used "-12" for 12 strings.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:40 pm:    Sorry, pictures: http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/axecollec tor/Ibanez%20Artwood%2012%20Select/   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 3:51 am:    Chazmo. The owner offer my that Artwood. It one of 3rd serie. There is the AW-sign in the headplate and the serial is with an letter at the end. I thing it is: 8305??97 D. They start with that Artwood at 1983. In the German (!) catalogs and adverts I can't find a AW-15. But the same model we got at the AW-18 - also with a 12string. And the AW-15 is ma be a special model-name for the US-market? I can give the info only from Germany: we got the same model, same view, same time, same discription with an AW-18-12 at the paper-label. And the discription isn't like 2nd serie only 3rd. You got a solid spruce top, back and sides in nato, and a darker headplate like the AW-18 4 years later. By looking a the fotos I think it will be that one (building at 1983 - it sould be in the catalog in 1984 or 1985): http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1985/1985 _09.jpg Here you can see the differnce: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1988/1988 _3.jpgIt was a good selling model here in Germany, also the 6 string. I hope the infos were helping. Sorry for my English and best wishes collectors.   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 3:53 am:    Sorry. Correct link is here: [...] Here you can see the differnce: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1988/1988 _3.jpg It was a good selling model here in Germany, also the 6 string. I hope the infos were helping. Sorry for my English and best wishes collectors.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:34 am:    Wolfgang, your English is just fine! OK, then, third series it is. I'm very confused though about third series starting in 1983, Wolfgang... Definitely, there's the "A/W" in the headstock, and the nato body, but the model name, and no catalog info of an AW-10 6-string corresponding model make it hard to identify. But anyway, I believe you're right. Maybe, in fact, this is the AW18-12 with an early model number. It's a nice guitar too! Did he offer to sell it to you? Best wishes back at ya!   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 4:49 pm:    Hi. The 1st series is already easy: They got wooden pick guards, they all solid and they are build in the same workshop like TAMAs. I think that's the problem with the serials. I saw same serials of TAMAs and I think they took the TAMA necks and build these Artwoods.), they got wooden bindings and they are really rare, same limited models, sold no very good look for example: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1980/1980 _2_04.jpg The 2nd series it is also easy: There are two solid - one with mahagoni and one model with rosewood, but they got NO wooden pick guard, NO wooden bindings look: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1982/1982 _03.jpg In that series they built also cheaper models for the international market with laminated back and sides. look: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1982/1982 _04.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1982/1982 _05.jpg In the 3rd series they stopped the models with solid back and sides. The difference in model names you can find also with ARIAs in that time. You can image that in Germany the distributor is very strong and in that time Ibanez was sell really more e-guitars than acoustics. You see that the only place you find the model is a little piece of paper. No money, no market - no system. The solids came back in the 1990, because in Germany the market need more acoustics - and we need more goods acoustics. There are more interesting artists with a acoustic guitar in that time. Look: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1990/1990 _07.jpg We got already a treat about difference in the guitar market in Europe and USA. Don't forget we talk about a little piece of paper with a little number. When the German market need an 18 instead a 15.... About the year a guitar was build: In our days they start a guitar in the factory in one year. You can find it in the same year in the catalog and often same year in the shops. In 1980 they build same times the whole production of a year for stock. Do you remember the label at the cameras from Japan with the word "passed". The government checked each product leaving Japan. You got a lot of import laws. And the distributors were carefully with foreign music instruments. That's the reason for a guitar build in 1983, catalog print in 1984 or 1985 and sold in 1985. In Japan you see in the catalog the clean difference between the 1st and the 2nd Artwood series. In Germany they haven't sold all the Artwoods of the 1st series and there for you find catalogs with models of the 1st series solid models and 2nd series laminated models. Nobody was interested in clearness - only in the money they can earn. That's normal. Any way. My Artwoods are great and I hope I will catch same more - maybe a AW-100 like that one: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979/1979 _aw_1_03.jpg Or a AW-200 like that one: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_2_02.jpg Or.... ...and enough time to play them. Best wishes. Wolfgang   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 5:55 pm:    Wolfgang, Don't forget, there was an AW-20 (-25), -30, and -40 were part of series 1. I'm pretty sure these models were laminates. Definitely, though, the AW-60, -70 (-75), 90 (-95), -100, and higher were all solid in series 1.   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 6:15 am:    Hi. Info about the 1st series: You should compare the catalog from Japan printed in 1978: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_1_01.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_1_02.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_1_03.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_1_04.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_2_01.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_2_02.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_2_03.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_ja/1 979_ja_2_04.jpg That's the oldest catalog I found. These are the 1st one. All solid and model named with AW-60 (mahogany low glossy varnish), AW-70 and AW-75 (mahogany glossy varnish), AW-90 and AW-95 (rosewood glossy varnish), AW-100 (rosewood glossy varnish, 3part back). In Japan they got in 1979 3 special models in a catalog printed in 1979: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_1_01.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_1_02.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_1_03.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_2_01.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_2_02.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1979_limi ted/1979_ja_lt_2_03.jpg Also solid in rosewood AW-120, AW-160, AW-200, also the 3part back AW-100. In Japan you find 10 limiteds of AW-120, 10 limiteds of AW-160 and 10 limiteds of AW-200. (I found only two of these limiteds in Japan. The owner told me that Ibanez only sold them in Japan - no export. Iown one AW-120 no limited.) There is also the AW-70 limited, but - there for I got one - not only sold in Japan. Special models were AW-60 DM and AW-70 DM with a stereo pickup system: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1980_ja/1 980_ja_1_02.jpg That's all. 2nd series wasn't shown as clear like the 1st. There is a mix in the German catalog, because the German distributor didn't sell enough of the all solid and ordered laminated. Yes, you find them together with the Artwoods of the 1st series in a German catalog printed in 1979. I got the ibnfo from the German distributor that Ibanez started with produktion of Artwood of the 1st serie with part of TAMAs. I know a Artwood with the TAMA branding under the Ibanez label. The AW-60 of the 1st series is totally comparable with the TG80 - same size, same woods, same vanish. Infos about the 2nd: The design of the Artwood change into the 2nd serie. They got laminated back and sides, plastic bindings and non wooden pick guard (but no AW-sign in the headplate). There were at first with laninated body an AW20, AW-25, AW-30, AW-35, AW-40, a little later they got an AW-50. There is a German (!) catalog in wich they still selling models of the 1st series - especially the top and expensive models: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte81.html In a German cataloge from 1982 you can find two new all solid models: http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/images/1982/1982 _03.jpg http://www.kreativ-lab.de/artwood/prospekte82.html The design is like the design of the 2nd series - AW-60 and AW-80. Yes, they toke the same model name. Yes, it is confusing - but look at the fotos - they done it. The laminated Artwoods were sold very well and can got one today. The solid are hard to find. I never saw one of the 2nd all solid Artwoods till now. The all solid Artwoods were really to expensive for the German market. My AW-120 was stay for about 10 years in the German shop befor the can sell it and they sold it for half of the list price. You got to pay round about 690 Deutsch Marks for an AW-60 of the 1st series and more more than 4000 Deutsch Marks for an AW-200 (no limited). I will but at my homepage table with pictures for the Artwoods - in the next few weeks - when enough time...   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 7:23 am:    But my view is only from Germany to the Artwoods. Maybe there will be same special models only in USA. In my opinion the artwoods between 1977/1978 and 1989/1990 differs in serveral designs and the orgin design from the last TAMAs. There for I differ series between a 1st and a 2nd and a 3rd and so on. I got same contact to other owner and to the German distributor. I got same catalog from Germany and Japan. Nevertheless I can be wrong.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 9:16 am:    Best wishes, Wolfgang. I think you're right about crossover stock when series 2 came out in 1982. That makes sense. So, really, your AW-120 sat in a store for 10 years!!!??? Wow!   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 4:12 pm:    Yes, the guy I bought from, told me that he bought her in 1988 or 1989. I thought: not in my interest, but he sent same photos. He told that the owner of the shop was very happy, when the AW-120 was sold. He told him, that he got it there for about 10 years. The highend Artwoods were too expensiv in the European market in the 1980ies.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:35 pm:    I wish I'd known about that in 1988-1989!!!!!   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 4:43 pm:    First Series: ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. 3-piece back(?) ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 105th of 120 (91101300) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 24th of 120 (91101228) - Germany [ARTWOOD AW-60 (0608045) - U.S.A. - waiting for answer.] ******************************************** Second Series: ARTWOOD AW-20 (82070008D) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-20 (82070029D) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany ******************************************** Thanks for helping. Regards   Wolle_schmidt Username: Wolle_schmidt Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 5:12 pm:    Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 4:43 pm: First Series: ARTWOOD AW-60 (90507021) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-60DM (91012032) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70 (0305127) - Japan ARTWOOD AW-70DM (0103119) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-75 (0810098) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-90 (90507269) - U.K. 3-piece back(?) ARTWOOD AW-120 (8010060) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 105th of 120 (91101300) - Germany ARTWOOD AW-70LTD - 24th of 120 (91101228) - Germany [ARTWOOD AW-60 (0608045) - U.S.A. - waiting for answer.] ******************************************** Second Series: ARTWOOD AW-20 (82070008D) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-20 (82070029D) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-30 (81120151) - U.S.A. ARTWOOD AW-30 (83060168D) - Germany ******************************************** Thanks for helping. Regards   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:14 pm:    Wolfgang, we have another series 1 AW-60 to add to the list. It's being sold in Chicago. It's 90810100. I don't have a picture (yet). See this thread: http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/11 /1004737.html?1197414241   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:28 pm:    And in the same thread: AW60-NT-OP-01 Serial Number:92010686 made in Korea, offered for sale to Samsub. I can't find any Artwoods in the 1992 catalogue. What have you got about that era? Did the Koreans make Artwoods in 1992 (Cort I presume)? Ginger   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:35 pm:    Ginger, I'm pretty sure the info I found in the 2001 catalog is correct for that one... That's definitely not a series 1 / series 2 and it has the '90s Artwood headstock... But, yeah, if Wolfgang has anything on that it'd be good.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 8:05 pm:    And how do you interpret that Artwood's serial number 92010686 ? 1992, January number 686? It would be okay with me, but I can't find any Artwoods in 1992 catalogues. (Which doesn't mean a thing of course, there are more Ibanez instruments that were NEVER on printed documentation, I just can't stand undocumented products, or better... I just can't stand searching and find zip, nada nothing). But if there's something on paper about it, it must be in Germany... Telstar? Ginger

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