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Author Message   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 2:52 pm:    I just picked this up a few minutes ago. Pawn shop, Freeport, NY. They have a 2671 on the wall. Tag says "PRS Dragon pups." and "!$1800.) Axe was in awesome shape except for dink to edge of the guitar down by the controls. It was a good dent. Otherwise, axe was beautiful. He also had an Artist with Flying Finger pups but I wasn't sure of the model... it wasn't fancy. 2 volume 2 tones controils, that's it, no fancy binding. Can you help me with a few questions about this acoustic. serial # K780023. It's only on the inside of the neck. No serial # stamped behind the heastock. Is that correct? It's got the star tunrers which look perfect, like a screwdriver's never been near 'em. Inside label says "produced in Japan. Model F300CW. Block inlays. The top of the guitar is near mint and remarkable for an acoustic that's 30 yrs. old. However... look at the photo of the back. It's all cloudy. My firsty guess would be it's refinished. To me... the back is too clean, as far as dings/rash. There should be something and there's nothing. What do you think? Could it have clouded up on it's own? The binding is pretty mellowed. The neck is straight and intonated, plenty of fret, excellent action all the way and it sounds dang good, even with the store strings on it that are rusting. When I slap new strings on it, I can tell it will be a real nice sounding axe. It's loud, it projects. Now, my usual question... did I get a decent deal? I paid $375 total, out-the-door for it. I got a brand new (I removed the plastic protective wrapping) tweed acoustic case which is really really nice. The back of the axe being cloudy bugs me and I want to know it's a refin or this could happen by itself. Hope these photos load up. Any info anybody can gimme on this quitar, I'd sure appreciate it.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 3:01 pm:    obviously.. photos too large. Will try to figure it out. let's try one again...   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 3:03 pm:    Sorry, I give up for now, I usually don't have this trouble.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 3:28 pm:      Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 7:59 pm:    Bob, would love to see your new axe... Cherry Wine, baby!   Johns Username: Johns Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 11:28 pm:    Bob: Try breaking your pictures up over several messages. Sounds like a '78 Floral Deluxe model 300 in Cherry Wine. Does it have diagonally split blocks and a butterfly with flowers on the pickguard?   Chipsotoole Username: Chipsotoole Registered: 2-2004 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 4:27 am:    Something like a Gibson Hummingbird copy? I've got a 74 Ibanez Concord Hummingbird that says "Made especially for Scandinavia" on the label inside. Got it off ebay Germany.. It's a bit cloudy too in places...But these guitars were really HEAVILY varnished....I'm sure you could t cut and buff it back without doing harm.   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:29 am:      Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:30 am:      Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:50 am:    Well, there's some pictures. I lost the shot of the back of the axe. That was an important one. In any event, this axe barely has a mark on it anywhere. Is that truss rod cover correct? The string pins look too new to be original. They are white w/little black dots. If anybody has some info on these and can answer a few questions from above, that would be great. I put new strings on it, sounds great and it feels nice and solid this old acoustic. Sturdily built. It's got a strong sound this guitar.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 9:56 am:    The guitar looks great, and look how clean the pickguard of this floral-series guitar is! Also, the case itself is probably worth a good $100, Bob. I'd say you did great. Am I wrong, or is the bridge coming up a little bit, Bob. You want to humidify this baby post haste, and get that bridge removed and reglued (if it's separating). For now, keep it tuned down a bit and use light guage. I'm pretty sure that's the right truss cover. The floral series in the '79 catalog has that bell-shaped one shown without any inscription, Bob. Looks right, and all-original to me. The bridge pins should also be white with a black spot (which they are). Congrats!   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 9:59 am:    Chips, by the way, that's exactly right. No question, the floral series was introduced post-lawsuit to distinguish itself a bit from the Gibby hummingbird design that was copied much closer in the earlier Concords 683/684/693...   Bobzilla Username: Bobzilla Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 10:03 am:    Thanx Chaz. Bridge is fine. I checked it b4 purchase and... it's not coming up one bit. I don't think this thing was played much. Not a single mark on the back, none/zilch. The top is in awesome shape, almost flawless. The tuners look unmolested. I guess it's the original string pegs and bridge saddle and truss cover then... they look pristine so... a 1978 model F300cw in near mint shape w/mint tweed case. $375. I like the guitar alot, I think it's worth the invested dinero. Looks like they didn't make too many in '78 from the looks of the serial #.   Chazmo Username: Chazmo Registered: 3-2007 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 1:33 pm:    You gotta' love how you can pick up these gems even cheaper than new stuff... Keep the secret, Bob. Let all the big money get thrown at the electrics.

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