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Author Message Kwokwok Username: Kwokwok Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 10:53 am:    hi i have recently found acquired this guitar and i had no idea what it realli is its ibanez 12 string v 302 serial number 82050638T82 here are some pics http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file...25_IMGP9517.JPG http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file...25_IMGP9518.JPG http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file...25_IMGP9521.JPG does anyone know how old this is and how much approx its worth? Russellw Username: Russellw Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 5:07 am:    Average selling price the last 18 months has been mod US$200's. The serial dates the guitar to 1982 - the V302 is a bit after I have any real expertise but I gather it's a solid spruce top with mahogany back & sides. When new they were worth about US$235 so their value hasn't changed much. The image links don't work btw. Cheers Russ Kwokwok Username: Kwokwok Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 9:05 am:    thanks heaps yeah i stuffed upo the links.... what does solid spruce top mean> i always see it but neva understood it Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 1:29 pm:    Kwokkwok: Here's a link to a catalog page that shows the V300 and V302 models (the "V" stands for Vintage Series): http://www.break-even.org/ibzscans/1983/accu/82-83-6.jpg I don't believe it's a solid top model, though. In the 80s Ibanez made it a practice to include the word "Solid" in the description of models that had solid tops (like the AW or Artwood models). Otherwise, a description such as "Top: Spruce" should be taken to mean a laminated Spruce top (also not to be interpreted that ALL the layers are Spruce). It can get confusing. For instance, there were the V300 (Mahogany), V302 (Mahogany 12 string), V320 (Rosewood) and V322 (Rosewood 12 string) models in the 1978 catalog that definitely had laminated tops. I know this because there are two Vintage series models described as having solid Spruce tops. They are the V300/S and the V320/S. These two models did not survive into the 80s acoustic line up. Sibly Username: Sibly Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 4:29 am:    My black 12 string v302 is from 1980. I've seen this catalog scan before, it shows just the natural and brown sunburst finishes. The ibanezregister site also showsa black one though, so i'm already aware mine isnt speacial or anything (well, it is to me of course ;)) Mine also has a logo on the headstock as well as the Ibanez name. Kwokwok Username: Kwokwok Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 8:12 am:    wat does it mean then? spruce or solid..... top? Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 11:47 am:    Kwokwok: A solid top is a piece of solid wood. Because it's solid, it can only be one type of wood and also has to be planed down to thickness from a thicker piece of lumber and then finish sanded. This is the original way to prepare lumber for constructing wooden instruments, like guitars and violins. At some point in history, the availabilty of thick, quality woods for all the woodworking industries became problematic. So, they came up with ways to take thicker planks of lesser quality woods and glue thin sheets of higher quality woods to either side. These thin pieces of quality timber are referred to as veneer. This is a form of laminating, or sandwiching layers of wood, to come out with a plank of the correct thickness that has the look of a solid piece of quality timber. The next evolutionary step was to make the center portion of the sandwich up from a laminate of lesser quality or even scrap woods. These days, this is almost always cheaper than finding any type of wood of decent thickness. As you can imagine, building a laminate top to a desired thickness is an additive process of building layers. On the other hand, with a solid piece of timber the process is subtractive: you plane and sand wood away. That's the "history of wood" lesson. As far as it pertains to guitars, the old school thought is that solid tops are always better and should always cost more. Well, you can only hope they are "better" because they will always cost more! IMO, a good quality laminated top guitar can definitely hold it's own with solid tops.

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