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Author Message Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 12:46 pm:    does anyone have any first hand info regard an IBANEZ CLASSICAL WITH CUTAWAY AND ELECTRONICE?? must sound good and be easily capable of having good low action for jazz chords, thought id ask here before looking at alvarez , yamaha etc, thanks, jazzz Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 2:39 pm:    Jazzzbo, i'm searching for a long time for a model like this, i used to a have AE450 Nylon string which i sold to JohnM one of our members, its a passive model with only a tone and a volume. Its a good guitar , i regret selling it, because its a great model to mod... I'm using now a Talman intermax(Korea) nylon string its a solidbody, it does the job. A AE600N 1992 would be a good catch, i tried out then new Ibanez Chinese Classical Electric models and i didn't like them. Finding a Ibanez Classical electric is difficult, you don't see them that often. Maybe some of the members could post some pics of their Ibanez nylon string models, so we know what to look for. Those Takamines are very good , good sound and feel. Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 3:05 pm:    hey art, thanks for the info, this picture is this the ibanez you once had and sold, if so, how was the action, many of these just cant get good action no matter what, guess ill keep looking, jazzz Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 6:30 pm:    Jazz~ Another winner is the Yamaha APX9NA classical. They are out of production but come up on Ebay once in while and are relatively inexpensive but fantastic MIJ pro instruments. I've had two of them (sold one to my brother...cheap) and immediately got another. Ritenour played one on one of his Brazilian CD's years ago. Here's the rap sheet from Yamaha: http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/download/products/10_musical_instrume nts/guitars_basses_amps/apx_electric_guitars/APX5NA/APX5NA_catalogue.pdf Cooltouch Username: Cooltouch Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 7:24 pm:    Jazzbo, How deep are your pockets? I play classical guitar, and most of the cutaway classicals with pickups I've played leave a lot to be desired when playing them unplugged, especially the Takamine's, I've found. Yamaha builds better guitars, IMO, so theirs might be better, but I can't recall playing one with onboard pickup in recent memory. But to me, the best classical of this genre, bar none, is the Jose Ramirez 2CWE: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jose-Ramirez-2CWE-Guitar?sku=518016X It sounds as good as a classical gets through a decent acoustic amp, but sounds even better unplugged. If you don't need an onboard pre-amp with eq, your choices become greatly expanded. There are quite a few decent classicals around that you could add a passive pickup to, like the Schatten or the K&K brands. Run it into an external preamp or into a decent acoustic amp, and Bob's your uncle. I have an old Aria MH-100 I did this with, even played it in a jazz quartet and a big band for a while. Worked great. That's an interesting photo of a 14-fret Ibanez, btw. Looks like they kept the same body style from the Ragtime Special -- a body style I really like. Best, Michael Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 7:37 pm:    The AE450 is very nice, it's one that Pat Metheny used some in Europe in the early 90s before he got Linda Manzer to make him some very special nylons strings (one totally unfretted with a synth system built in). Here's a Mosrite I just got myself - pretty wild guitar. I'm gonna eventually have Gary Brauer in San Francisco install a system used in Godins... /image {3bec} Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 7:39 pm:    Oops... Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 7:43 pm:    The pickup is made by RMC, here's a link to the one I want to use. It has individual saddles and the electronics are in a separate box so you don't have to mod the guitar. In the case of this Mosrite I want it to stay looking like it does. The neck on this is about 1 3/4 wide BUT thin, very nice guitar. http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 8:48 pm:    Jazzbo, the action is always a problem with these models....i now know for 100% thats in your hands and when you play alot on these classical models it will become easier to play with high action. Believe me, i have seen in Brasil and Cuba incredible acoustic players with high action executing impossible guitar passages...had those guitars in my hand and was really surprised how they could play those instruments. Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 8:56 pm:    Jazzbo, yes thats the one sold to JohM GuitarTim, nice yamahas, but string spacing on these models was always a problem...strings very close. Cooltouch: nice one but for thats price wouldn't it better to make a custom one ? Bigmike: nice one, did you tried the RLbags systems ? Love those amps in the back vintage i presume. Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 9:18 pm:    I DONT HAVE DEEP POCKITS, so this guitar would be for my practicin of jazz and if it sounds decent with a good eq, pick ups id used it once in awhile for small coffee house jazz gigs or whatever, the local yocals really messed up my electronics on my washburn ea 20 , but after hearing johnny mathis guitar player on pbs i decided a decent classical electric would be cool, but i definately can not dig high action, what about some of the current, mid priceds ones, ps ,thanks for all the info guys,j Bigmike Username: Bigmike Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:55 pm:    The amps are not mine, the picture I posted is from the eBay ad. The seller was repping for a very private collector. I looked over some of the other things he sold for the collector, real nice stuff, believe me... The photo was likely taken at the collector's flat. I had the RMC pickup in a Godin ACS Slim and the sound was flat amazing. Plus the synth option made it hard to let go of. Just couldn't get used to something that felt like a solidbody. Ask Guitar Tim how I am about hollowbodies... Big Cooltouch Username: Cooltouch Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:45 pm:    Jazzbo, IMHO, classicals get a bad rap when it comes to action height. I set up my classicals so they have 1/8" clearance on the high E and 5/32" clearance on the low E at the 12th fret. Now, this may seem like a lot to an electric player, but keep in mind that nylon strings are much more flexible than steel strings. This means that, when plucked, they have a greater amplitude as they vibrate, and out of necessity require greater clearance between the frets and the strings so you don't get buzzes. There is no getting around this. BUT! Nylon strings are also much easier to fret than steel strings. Even though they require a higher action, they require much less force to depress. It will in all likelihood require a bit of an aclimation period for you to adjust to nylon strings -- and it isn't just the strings, it's also the width of the fingerboard too, you know. Not only that, there's the issue of whether to use a pick or your fingers. Nylon strings really sound much better when plucking the strings with properly shaped nails than they do when plucking with a pick. A classical is all about fingerstyle playing after all. Fortunately, this technique works very well within the world of jazz music, and there are a number of excellent players, especially nowadays, who do a great job playing jazz tunes with classical technique (aka fingerstyle) on classical guitars. Really, the classical guitar is a completely different animal, and if you have not already spent a fair amount of time getting comfortable playing one, I'd strongly recommend you do so before you make a sizable investment. They're not fore everybody -- but, personally, I love 'em. Best, Michael Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:13 am:    OK here's more...Check out the Godin Multiac Nylon and the Cordoba nylon classicals. Used or new, they are hard to beat for playing jazz. Finally, with classical guitars, I believe it is always best to try them out in-hand first. They can vary so much, one should get the best match for their playing style, sound, feel and budget. Cooltouch Username: Cooltouch Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:01 am:    I own a Godin Multiac SA nylon string -- the 14 fret-to-the-body model. It's pretty much electric only, since it's about as loud as a solid body unplugged. But the 14-fret model represents a reasonable compromise for the steel-string player. The neck, being a 14-fretter, is easier to adapt to, and the fingerboard is also a bit narrower, so the left hand doesn't have as much readjustment to make. I bought mine because of the synth access (SA) feature. It's Roland ready, with a 13-pin output jack, so I can plug it directly into my Roland GR-33 guitar synth. Honestly, I don't think it sounds that good at all when played dry through an amp. At a minimum, it would need a goodly amount of effects to help out its flat sound. But for synth access, it's a real hoot. I have played a number of Cordobas, and the better ones are decent. But the better ones prices are up there, too. The cheaper Cordobas don't sound good to me. If I were looking for a decent classsical with a solid soundboard and a pick-up, the first brand I would consider would be Yamaha. I just took a look over at MF. There are three Yamaha models worth considering: the CGX111SCA, a traditionally shaped and constructed classical with cutaway and pickup, the APX5NA and the CGX171CCA. The latter two are designed more for a steel-string player. Thinner neck and body, lower action, deep cutaway. The APX5NA apparently does not have a solid soundboard, but it got good reviews nonetheless. I also took a look at Ibanez's offerings. They have three models designed more for the steel-string player (thinner neck and body): the AEG10NETNG, GA5TCE, and AEF20CSNE. Cheaper than the Yamahas, but they got decent reviews. HTH. Best, Michael Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:56 am:    ok, im checking all the reviews and seeing whats available ill let everyone know what i come up with, as this guitar wont be my main performing axe , it wont be that critiical right now, jazzz Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 3:26 pm:    Wondering what anyone thinks o f the IBANEZ AEG10NET NG. I CAN GET IT for under 200 us dollars used, might be a good practice guitar cheap???? tanks, jazzz Captainibanez Username: Captainibanez Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 5:35 am:    Jazzbo, these guitars are a versatile axe for many styles of playing. The piezo pickup in this model doesn't tend to give to many headaches & the EQ gives you a very good tonal range, however if you want a really low action, like an electric guitar, then you may have to get used to a few buzzes here and there. Price wise, they are right on the ball, the necks are very comfortable for this type of guitar. They are a good seller down here in Australia. Hope this helps a bit . Captain Ibanez Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 4:00 pm:    Jazzbo, take it slow and have alook at this one... and its Korean made. Also heard this story from a very well informed friend in Germany, that Cort has access to the best woods at the moment, actually they are being the best stock available everywhere in the World. I'm trying to test one but this model is difficult the find in The Netherlands. Honestly i must say an Ibanez Japan Fan that the the Acoustic line of Cort is more appealing the our loved Ibanez. What about this brand http://www.crafterguitars.com/ Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 4:01 pm:    Sorry must be " BUYING" Fg100 Username: Fg100 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 4:55 pm:    I have a Alhambra 5P CTE. It has a good sound plugged and unplugged. But unplugged it doesn't have that much bass. It's a thin body. They are hand made and use very good materials. The only thing that's on the cheap side are the tuners. Alhambra Guitars Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 9:50 pm:    ok, i will check out thte Cort and Alhambra, let me know if you play a cort, tanks, j Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 12:17 pm:    Jazz~ Closeout sale on an all solid wood classical. It's 'B stock' but the price is great. http://www.music123.com/Alvarez-MC90C-----Classical-Guitar-B-Stock-i162476.music Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:32 pm:    what about the eepiphone chet atkins?? Cooltouch Username: Cooltouch Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 12:54 pm:    Artfield writes, "Also heard this story from a very well informed friend in Germany, that Cort has access to the best woods at the moment, actually they are being the best stock available everywhere in the World." Don't wish to tread on any toes, but I doubt that seriously. I build guitars, and classsicals are my specialty. I buy soundboard wood from loggers in British Columbia who specialize in logging soundboard wood (spruce and cedar). The wood I buy is some of the finest I've ever seen anywhere. I also have several sources for all sorts of excellent back and side wood, which at least rivals, and most likely surpasses the quality of woods found on a factory built guitar. They don't come cheap, but they're worth every penny, IMHO. The above Cort is a very nice looking instrument. But I've played a lot of nice looking guitars that didn't sound worth a darn. Bottom line, I say, let your ears and your hands be the final judge. Best, Michael Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 1:44 pm:    EPIPHONE CHET ATKINS CEC, does anyone know first hand about this axe, its a cheaper copy id guess of thte gibson chet, im curious about the playing ease, most likely would be used more for practice than giging, i cant take the high action of most of these guitar, tanks,jazzzz Fg100 Username: Fg100 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 8:46 pm:    The Gibson Chet Atkins sounds like plastic... and are very expencive. The Epiphone version will probably sound plastic as well. Cooltouch Username: Cooltouch Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 9:42 pm:    Agreed. The one Chet Atkins I played appeared to be a solidbody guitar, and sounded like crap through an amp. If you wanna go this route, you'll need effects. Best, Michael Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:33 am:    this guy here in a store is asking $450 for one, can ya believe it, but i see some people like the GIBSON CHET ATKINS, im not really into effects, other than reverb actually, Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 5:09 am:    I have a Rodriguez 1015, but the old version with a Shadow pickup. Now they have Fishman Prefix. This is the 1010 Bubinga (€725): http://voerman.davidtaz.com/images/stories/pdf/JR_pdf/pag13.pdf This is the 1015 Rosewood (€819): http://voerman.davidtaz.com/images/stories/pdf/JR_pdf/pag12.pdf The Bubinga side shown in the 1015 prospect should actually be in the 1010 prospect: it's just to show the Fishman. The actual luthier company who builds them is Antonio Lorca. I think the prices are better than Alhambra's. Inclusief Fishman Prefix Pro Blend. = E2 5P-CW E2 Ceder India Palissander (= laminated Indian Rosewood) € 1.080,00 7F-CW E2 Fichte (= spruce) Esdoorn (= maple) € 1.124,00 7Fc-CW E2 Fichte Sollid Cypres € 1.400,00 7P-CW E2 Fichte Sollid India Palissander € 1.521,00 9P-CW E2 Ceder India Palissander incl.Koffer € 1.935,00 So compared to the Rodriguez 1015 there's a price difference of €221.- if you go for laminated rosewood. Ginger Tristan Username: Tristan Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 1:42 pm:    A Gibson CA-CEC should be connected directly to PA. Jazzzbo Username: Jazzzbo Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 9:08 pm:    heck i may just get a yamaha cg 110 standard size and take my time to look around for a good cec electric, so many choices, jazzz Tristan Username: Tristan Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:20 am:    I get a much better nylon string guitar tone (even better than my friend's Godin Multiac nylon I tested) out of my Admira classical, miced (no pickup ofcourse). Under saddle pickups almost always sound like crap. Real acoustic guitars should be MICED. Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 12:53 pm:    Guys, today i drove to south of The Netherlands to check this Cort CEC1, well honest not really happening, as Tristan,Gember,Cooltouch and others wrote, its better to spend more cash on a quality instrument, i also tested a Crafter and Alahambra. had also a Godin in my hand which sounded very good only it didn't have a big body.... Gember,this Rodriguez 1015 looks good....will try is somewhere soon. There is alot of choice on the net, best thing to do is to really check those instruments thats the basic rule, than first impression (feel, sound etc etc) should be good. search slowly continues.... Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 3:08 am:    Simple but nice to play.... http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=ht tp%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D330071543671

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