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Author Message siogo Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:57 am:    i have a model number 2846 the serial starts with 74 but has no letter preceeding..now one place says 2846 was a 1977 model but the serial number scheme would indicate 74. it is a dead on copy of a guild headstock with ibanez in mother of pearl. any ideas? Jahlove (Jahlove) Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 7:22 pm:    I have a Ibanez acoustic vintage model number 2846.My father gave it to me a couple of years ago. He bought it in 1976 and paid $185.00 for it. That is all the information that I have. If anyone can help me out with any information on this guitar that would be great! Thank you, Jason Johns (Johns) Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 10:59 am:    I go this picture and info from Jim Donahue's site (http://216.250.245.172/acoustic.html) It's very hard to read the specs, but I think it says: Selected fine grain spruce top. Three piece rosewood back ... inlay stripes. Fancy black and white ... inlays around the top and ... Rosewood fingerboard with pearliod dots and rosewood bridge. Deluxe individual machine heads... I believe this catalog is from 1976. The price list says: #2846 D size, Rosewood sides and 3 pc back $199.00 Hope this helps, JohnS Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 12:22 pm:    Perhaps a different format was used for acoustic serial numbers? Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 9:26 am:    I don't have any experience with acoustic serial numbers as early as '74, but I have seen numbers from '76 onward. The first 2 numbers have always coincided with the year of manufacture. (I don't think that is true with the recent acoustics, tho.) Just because I'm stubborn I would suspect that the 74 serial number was a '74 guitar. The 2846 model probably spanned several years of production. Wouldn't it be nice to have a complete collection of catalogs and price sheets from the 60s, 70s and 80s to consult? I guess my name would have to be Johhny Hoshino for that to happen. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:22 pm:    "Wouldn't it be nice to have a complete collection of catalogs and price sheets from the 60s, 70s and 80s to consult? I guess my name would have to be Johhny Hoshino for that to happen." That'd be near to a perfect world, eh? I'm still struggling to fill in the gaps in my literature. And that's only from '83 on !! I would tend to agree that the first two digits are correct for determining the year. Strange there is no letter prefix. 'Course, they pulled this same stunt from '88 to '91 too! Cheers Steve Johns (Johns) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:27 pm:    Steve: Acoustics have never used the alpha prefix to designate the month of manufacture. It seems to me, that early on, the serial numbering schemes must have been left up to the individual factories. The wierd thing is that Ibanez acoustics have had serial numbers since the beginning but the electrics didn't start them until sometime in mid '75. Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar) Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:41 pm:    Thanx, John. I didn't know that! Where were the acoustics built? Cheers Steve Russellw (Russellw) Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 3:01 am:    Not quite correct John. Some acoustics had serial numbers as early as '74 while others didn't start until 1976. The 2684 actually started production in 1973 as far as I can ascertain. I have a couple of 698's from 1975 that have no serial numbers either. Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 3:26 pm:    Russell: Thanks for the corrections. Where'd you get information on 1973 acoustics? Steve: I don't know what factories made the early acoustics. But I assumed they were all Japanese. At least until the late 80s/early 90s when Korea was brought in. Johns (Johns) Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 3:37 pm:    Looks like the newer Performance models use an alpha prefix. Here's part of a listing from an ebay auction: Model PF4J-WT-14-01 Ser# K010904216 Russellw (Russellw) Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 1:45 am:    John: I have the 1973, 1974, 1975 and 1976 Acoustic catalogues. In '73 the 2684 was a "new" model. Cheers Russ Johns (Johns) Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 9:17 am:    Russell: You've been holding out on us! You are THE Acoustic expert! OK, here's what I'd like to find out. What models where top of the line? I'm on the lookout for a Dreadnaught, solid spruce top and either solid rosewood or mahogany for the rest. The more MOP and marquetry the better, but not necessary. Do you have any TAMA literature? Russellw (Russellw) Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 11:31 pm:    Hi John Can't help with the TAMA info. As for acoustics here goes: All of my info relates to pre 1980 as that was about the only good ones they really made. Based on a 1976 dealer guide and price list (a great source of info): all prices in AU$. There were effectively 5 model lines. A good percentage of them were Dreadnaught bodies and they were mostly solid topped. At the bottom end you have the 627 (early) and 950 (later). These were Spruce tops, Mahogany B&S and Rosewood fretboards. Nothing fancy and the retailed new at $330 or so. Slightly upmarket are the 628 / AR2845 pair with fine grain or selected Spruce tops, Mahogany B&S, Rosewood fretboards and either fancy inlays or pg's or both. These were around the $350 mark new. The few extra dollars between there and $400 opened a wide range. The 645,646, 675, 684, 693. 699, 952 and 981. The 952 is plain Spruce top and all the rest select or fine grain Spruce. The 628, 684, 952 & 981 are all Mahogany B&S. The 675, 693 are Rosewood and the 645 Inidan Rosewood while the 699 is select Maple B&S. All have Rosewood fretboards except the 699 whihc is Rock Maple. Features wise they all offer something: The 645 and 646 are matched B&S. The 675 has a 3 piece back with cedar strips. The 693 has the "Dove" pickguard and the 952 is an arched back braceless guitar. From $400-425 brings the fancy 684's, 696, 752. AR2601 and AR2846. All have fine grain Spruce tops, the 684 & 2601 Mahogany B&S, the 2846 Rosewood and the 696 select Rosewood and they all have Rosewood fret boards. The 2601 has a Mahogany neck as well and Star MOP inlays on the fretboard. The 2846 has a 3 piece back. From $440-475 brings the 651, 656, 670, 677, 678, 697, 983, V300 and AR2602. All have fine grain Spruce tops. The 651, 656 and V300 are Mahogany B&S - matched in the case of the 656. The 2602 is select Maple and the 670 Maple. The 697 is Rosewood, the 677 select Rosewood and the 983 bookmatched Rosewood. The 678 has a 3 piece back in Rosewood and Maple with Rosewood sides. The 2602 has a Mahogany neck. All fretboards are Rosewood except the 670 which is Rock Maple. Featires include wood binding on the 670, pearl inlays on the 697 and a Gallagher style headstock on the 651. From $500-550 brings the 671, 679, 750, 802, V300 and AR2603. All are fine grain or select Spruce tops. The 671 & 679 are 3 piece Maple/Jacaranda back with Jacaranda sides (the maple is flamed on the 679). The 750 has Jacaranda B&S and the 802 & 2603 Rosewood (fine grained on the 802). The V300 Mahogany B&S. The 2603 has a Mahogany neck. Fretboards are all Rosewood except the 671 which is Maple. Features include fancy marquetry on the back of the 750 and 2603 and the 2603 also has MOP/star fret inlays. We still haven't finished .... $560-700 brings the 753, 759, 801, 803, AR2604, V320, F300 and the AW20. All Spruce tops again (mostly fine or select). Jacaranda B&S on the 753 & 801; Mahogany on the F300 & AW20; Rosewood on the V320 and Maple on the 2604. The AW20 and F300 have Mahogany necks and the 2604 is Maple. All have Rosewood fretboards. Features include: fancy marquetry and MOP rosette on the 2604; a "Dove" pg on the 759 and a floral pg on the F300. $700-800 brings the 758, 762 and 762M, AW30, AW40, AW50 and the M340/342. All Spruce tops (again). The M340/342 have flamed Maple B&S; the AW30/50 are Rosewood; the AW40 is Maple; the 762 pair are 3 piece backs in Jacaranda & Maple (flamed for the 762 and Curly for the 762M). Necks are all Mahogany at this end of the range and fretboards ebonised Rosewood. Finally the $800-1000 bracket brings the AW60 and AW70. Both Spruce topped, Mahohgany B&S, Mahogany necks and Rosewood fretboards. Differences are in the amount of decoration basically. There are some models that I haven't included as I don't have pricing. The basic rule of thumb is that the model number within each series is sequential (in terms of price) from lowest to highest (although there are exceptions). The Series start chronologically with the 627 through 699; then 750-768; then 801-983. Then the terminology changed to more closely mirror the electrics with the Artist range (2601-2860); Artwoods (AW20-AW80), Florals (F300-360); Vintage (V300-302); Maple Series (M340,342); Ragtime Series and the Floral Series (F300-F362). Hope this helps! Russ Joek Username: Joek Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 3:19 pm:    I HAVE A 1975 IBANEZ ARTIST ACOUSTIC 2604 WHAT IT WORTH TODAY IN YOUR OPINION JOHN.SER#750217

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