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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 10:30 pm:   

Just picked it up in a trade. Serial number is H753180. Color is cherry sunburst. Doesn't appear to be tampered with and looks to be an original case w/ aluminum trim. Curious how I can further identify this guitar. Also curious if I got a decent deal. Traded out Crate 'Vintage Club 50' and '66 Bogen Challenger 35.
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 10:57 pm:   

Also looking for original specs and schematic. Man this guitar looks and sounds good. I'm not incredibly experienced with guitars and wanted to buy some different brands but I just can't seem to stray from Ibanez. Old or new they got a great product.
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 1:15 am:   

Bolt on neck?, (tarnished)golden hardware? 2 covered humbuckers? If so a 2350CS. If not we need more details.

P@ul
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 1:28 am:   

It has a bolt on neck, open book headstock, chrome hardware, and triple binding. It's in a black w/ aluminum trim case w/ gold fuzzy liner. I think it may be original if that helps. And thanks for your reply.
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 1:29 am:   

and 2 humbuckers not covered. Look like Seymore Duncans maybe.
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 1:55 am:   

or DiMarzios
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 5:15 am:   

Mortatort

I think we definitely need some pictures here to help you.

Harry
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 9:43 am:   

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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 9:57 am:   

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/sydsmomma24 /75ibanez/101_1785.jpg
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:01 am:   

Okay...now were talking!
What you have is a 2350 CS, built in August 1975.
Unfortunately there are a few replacement parts: The pickups, the knobs and the bridge are non-original.
Pity for a collector, but if you dont care about originality this might as well a good users guitar.

Kind greetz,
Harry
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:12 am:   

What Harry said. Case looks to be original to the guitar. The hardware (only the original parts ofcourse)was once gold. There are some traces left on the neckplate. Pickups could easily be diMarzio. A lot of superdistortions were installed in the eighties and nineties.
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:26 am:   

Any idea where to get parts to put it back to original? Also, any idea on value in it's current condition? I traded a Crate VC5212 amp and 1966 Bogen Challenger 35. I had paid a total of $300 for those two amps.

And thanks a bushel for your replies. some other sites don't get much response.
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 2:46 pm:   

Hey...were here to help people with questions...
I think 300 bucks is a fair price. If you want to restore it I think best you can do is watch Ebay. Search for Super 70s (gold) pickups. A bridge and good replacement knobs can be found also once in a while. It takes some patience...

Harry
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 2:54 pm:   

Does the saddle look to be original?
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 3:06 pm:   

Sorry, does the tailpiece look original?
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 3:10 pm:   

I'd say you need pickups, a bridge including studs and black witch hat volume/tone knobs. The rest looks fine to me.

P@ul
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 6:11 pm:   

I think the pickups look a lot like Ibanez V2s and DiMarzios. Could you measure them with the Ohm meter? Put the on a 20 KOhm range, turn the volume pots on 10, put the guitar cable in and switch from neck to bridge pickup, while holding one lead on the tip and the other on the shaft of the jack plug that you normally plug in the amp.
Neck PU resistance = .....KOhm
Bridge PU resistance = .....KOhm
Middle position resistance = Bridge + Neck : 4 = ..... KOhm



Ginger
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 6:37 pm:   

neck- 7.25
bridge- 11.55
middle- 4.56
sound appropriate?
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Fingersmcoy
Username: Fingersmcoy

Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 8:16 pm:   

Looks pretty nice to me!I dont think you lost anything on the trade.Hows the frets, any meat left on them ?
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 8:23 pm:   

fingers- plenty left. top couple have light-moderate wear and the rest is very light. Looks like it spent most of it's days in the orig case. fortunately.
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 4:36 am:   

18.80 : 4 = 4.7 KOhm for the middle position.

wait a minute...
3.625 + 5.775 = 9.4 : 2 = 4.7 kOhm.
Seems my calculation was right, checked and double checked.

Could be that at least one value is not correctly measured.
What is the resistance of your meter leads? (Should be ZERO).
What is the resistance of the guitar cable (tip to tip and shaft to shaft, they should be as close to ZERO as possible).

Oh, and if you measure from one tip to the other shaft, there should be an ENDLESS resistance (NOT ZERO but unmeasurable), because if not, you've got a short circuit in the cable.

It all sounds NEARLY right, but NOT RIGHT ENOUGH.

We have 0.14 KOhm vapourized here and I'd want to know why.

You might end up buying a new guitar cable or new meter leads.

I'll do a search for normal values of V2 and Dimarzio pickups later.


Ginger
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 6:45 pm:   

Ginger- Not sure what I did differently, same cable(o.oo resistance), same meter and leads(o.oo) and now I'm getting these measurements:
neck- 8.4
bridge- 22.1
middle- 6.1
I tried the formula and got 7.61 for the middle position which is probably way off. I tried it on different ranges to see if I could get similar readings to the previous ones but just kept getting these readings. Maybe I've got a short brewing in the guitar.

And by the way- I really appreciate everyone's willingness to help out. This is a great collection of people on this site!!
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 7:53 pm:   

30.5 : 4 = 6.11
If that's what you measured in the middle position, your measurements are fine now.

Looks like you've been measuring only one coil of the bridge pup the first time. Is there a coil splitter switch present, or a push-pull pot?

OK, so you've got a 22.1 KOhm bridge pickup with Allen pole pieces. That should be VERY powerfull. You'll blow everyone away with that one.

7.4 or 8.4 is both pretty normal for a neck humbucker. Even for a bit of smooth jazz, excellent. You have both worlds, jazz and rock in one guitar. I'd say: "Leave it that way."

What you must examine, is whether you can control the coil split, or that it occurs in an uncontrolled manner, because of some broken wire or a shortcut. What happens after you shake the guitar a bit? Do you get different measurements? Then there is probably some loose wire that makes contact now and then, so that it switches from hum to single and vice versa.


Ginger
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 8:10 pm:   

wait..wait.. wait. Rookie mistake. forgot to max the volume knobs. Just so happens to be about double the reading. I knew there had to be something. Anyway, correct measurements:
neck-7.7
bridge-13.6
mid-5.15
formula=5.03
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 8:49 pm:   

Correction: 21.3 : 4 = 5.325

Your measurement is still BELOW the outcome of the formula: -0.175 this time.

Looks like something is unstable, with so many different measurements. I think it would be interesting to measure the pots unsoldered, because they (or at least one of them) could cause the instability. Did you already spray and clean the selector switch? Do you see any wires that have been cut and reconnected in an instable way?


Ginger
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Mortatort
Username: Mortatort

Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 9:21 pm:   

Any kind of contact cleaner work? I'm also planning to change out the capacitors in a couple days when the parts get here. I can measure everything 'loose' at that point.
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2007 - 11:18 pm:   

I just read someone uses QD (Quick Dry), I only have Kontakt 60 from Kontakt Chemie, so I have to wait until it's dry before I may use the cleaned part.

Anyway, the deviation must come from somewhere: a switch, a pot, a wire, that's what I'm thinking of.


Ginger

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