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Author Message   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:33 am:    Ebay Item #320148537680 Aren't there eBay police somewhere that can open a can of whoopass on this seller?   Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 5:49 am:    Chucke Judging by the response you got from the seller in the Q/A section, it appears that the body is Ibanez but I agree that the rest is a botch. six   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:44 am:    Yeah, I had to reply to him again. Give him props for posting my original question, at least. But there's no way that 90% of that guitar is anything near being "Ibanez" other than the truss rod cover and *maybe* the body. I don't recall ever seeing a single-pickup, P-90 version of the Rocket Roll. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Do the medalions on the Rocket say "Ibanez" on them? I've never seen a medalion up close.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 2:10 pm:    Not what I'd call a pleasant dialogue: ------------------------------------------------ "Q: I don't even know where to start. First, I should assume that you're just going on what you've been told by another person. That being the case, the person who told you about this guitar was wrong on several points, all of which add up to the fact that the guitar you're selling is not an Ibanez, so you should change your posting: 1) "Ibanez" (or more accurately, Hoshino, the company that sells Ibanez-brand guitars) wasn't sued by Gibson until 1977; 2) The lawsuit was settled out of court; 3) Hoshino stopped making the V copies in 1976, before the lawsuit was instigated; 4) Hoshino is a reputable company that would never try to "trick" anyone into thinking their guitars were actually Gibson-brand instruments. Hope this helps. -Chuck Aug-15-07 A: First of all , it is an IBANEZ GOLD COIN , It clearly reads IBANEZ on the coin , and the truss cover . I had another one , a normal one complete that I sold for $450 on ebay . I have a friend who has two , as well as the Gibson Gold Coin V which looks exactly like the Ibanez . Why would Ibanez copy the Gibson so exaclty as to make a Gold Coin exactly like the Gibson . That's what the suits were about , DE DE DE . Ibanez was copying Gibsons guitars , and they got •••••• about it , this guitar was the last straw , so to speak . Ofcourse they tried to trick the public , why else would they copy every detail , and sell them for less ! Second , the story I heard was told to me a year or so before I found this guitar . Three , it's a story , I said it had not been confirmed . Thanks for the help Chuck " ---------------------------------------------- He gave you the DEDEDE! Send in the marines! We have seen several of these bodies, with all kinds of TRCs: "Arbiter" for instance. We had a message about a "Mystery Flying V", so if they read it, they know this is a field where the experts are not 100% certain about. So you can create something to make this an Ibanez. I would like to see close-ups of that TRC, the neckplate, the back of the headstock (because I think I see Grovers on it), the pickguard with the electronics, and that "IBANEZ" coin. It wouldn't surprize me if this coin belongs to some other Ibanez product. I wonder what Harry thinks about this "STORY". Gemberbier   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:07 pm:    Medallion, ah... that rings a bell... We had some messages about that... http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/26 32/5423.html http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/13 /13180.html http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/13 /5422.html http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/13 /2591.html http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/13 /12049.html The more I look at the auctioned guitar and the one with the Fender Bullit neck the more I think that this is a home grown tomato too. Ginger   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:31 pm:    yes the medallions do say something like "ibanez quality" on them. i chimmed in also. if anyone is trying to trick someone it's this guy. or he does believe what he was told. but then, how many times have i heard that "yeah this guitar was built by ibanez" poor deluded folks.   Roland_g303 Username: Roland_g303 Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 11:41 pm:    Here's an eBay auction that is a true medallion. Ebay Item #330116896514 Patrick   Shrap Username: Shrap Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 9:49 am:    Mine doesn't have the medallion and no holes where it should have been. It's all original as far as I can tell. So what's the difference between a V Ibanez Medallion and a non-medallion ? Let me guess... the medallion ?   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 12:13 pm:    yup, pretty much   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 3:20 pm:    I had a few more exchanges with the seller, escalating in intensity. I tried to stick to the facts, showing him links to Ibanez catalogs, etc. and then forwarding him the link to the other eBay auction. He just got nastier and nastier in his tone. So I lost it and questioned his ethics for willingly perpetuating a story and guitar description that he knows is not true. He blew me off, insulting all the way. So, personally, I won't be buying anything from him, ever. Others can make their own judgements.   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 6:21 pm:    same here chuck99. he told me that "you probably still believe that 9 asians in a cave are responsible for 911, take off your rose colored glasses" all i said was that ibanez did not do any copies in secret, they were built for a budget market and he just went nuts. i didn't bother to reply. it would be tough to laugh at this guy online and have it be effective.   Chucke99 Username: Chucke99 Registered: 2-2007 Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 7:18 pm:    The funny thing is, he finally posted a picture of the for-auction V right next to another medallion V he had. I'm inclined now to think the entire for-auction V may be legit. He says he only got $450 for the other one. Imagine, $450 for an Ibanez V? That's cheap. Or would there be some reason a medalion V would be worth less than a 2387? Were the medalions strictly bolt-ons, then?   Tbplayer Username: Tbplayer Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 9:16 am:    bolt only? don't know. it probably is a "legit" auction. i think i have seen a p-90 V before. but...i don't think the neck is real. the headstock isn't a tulip. i don't know what his deal is, but he needs to figure out that the "pawnshop treasures" are gone. and mainly HARDCORE collectors are looking at the pieces on e-bay, and will jump on any misinformation.

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