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Fompsweeva
Username: Fompsweeva

Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 8:40 am:   

Howdy,

I found this guitar on my local ebay, and it's obviously a replica of a Les Paul. He reports it's from March '76 and has a set neck. However I believe that the guitars from this era didn't have the open book headstock.

Here's a pic.

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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:39 am:   

The guitar in the pic looks like a 2350 to me. Not a 2650.

P@ul
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Chucke99
Username: Chucke99

Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 12:37 pm:   

Ask him for a picture of the back of the headstock and the back of the neck joint. That will settle it. Or go check it out. If it's a 2350, it's a bolt-on, and could conceivably have a C76... serial number.

How much does he want for it? These are routinely going for $400+ on eBay right now.

-Chuck
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Flatbag
Username: Flatbag

Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 7:38 pm:   

Paul, how can you tell? I haven't studied the 2350/2650 differences in detail, but I thought it was simply a case of one being bolt-neck with arched top, while the other is setneck with solid top (which I can't tell from the above pic)?
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:07 am:   

Flatbag,

There are some subtle differences. The Ibanez logo on the headstock is the most obvious (slanted on 2650 only) but 2650 also has different truss rod cover inscription and a different bridge (with the tiny threaded poles screwed directly into the solid top). Other than that I believe i can see enough of the heel of the guitar in the picture to see it is a bolt on.

P@ul
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Flatbag
Username: Flatbag

Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 1:56 am:   

Thanks Paul, that makes sense - I know what to look at in the future.

Cheers
Pete
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Gemberbier
Username: Gemberbier

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 6:17 am:   

The start of the use of serial numbers and the transformation of Gibson-like open book headstocks to Guild-like tulip headstocks were two separate events. As far as we know the start of the use of serial numbers was in August 1975.
Headstock transformations happened on different moments for each Gibson-like model. It depended on what was left in stock. They didn't throw away good necks. And they also didn't glue wings on a bound open book headstock to cut it into tulip shape.
On the Smooth's 2355 website for example, he writes about the transformation of the headstock of this jazzbox in May 1976.
So, it is possible that this is an open book headstock with a C76xxxx serial number.


Ginger
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:43 am:   

Like mentioned in another thread: Also in my collection: a model number 2660 BK (Les Paul model, bolt on neck, half-vine fretboard inlay) with open book headstock, serial number F76XXXX.
I even have a model 2370 (ES 345 copy) with open book headstock, serial number G76XXXX.

Harry
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Fompsweeva
Username: Fompsweeva

Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:09 am:   

I went to see the guitar today. It has a bolt on neck.
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Chucke99
Username: Chucke99

Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:52 am:   

Guys, here's a 1976 (June) Paul, just listed on the Bay, with the open book headstock:

Ebay Item #120158812366

-Chuck
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Lespaul
Username: Lespaul

Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 7:28 am:   

Fompsweeva,

Did you get it? These are very nice guitars! (I am a little biassed though....)

P@ul
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Fompsweeva
Username: Fompsweeva

Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:20 pm:   

Na, I didn't buy it. It was in nice condition, but I couldn't justify the $600 AUD. The guy was friendly though.

If anyone is interested it's on eBay Australia for $510 AUD right now... also comes with a nice little parts/pedals brochure that must've come with the guitar.

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