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Chucke99
Username: Chucke99

Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 5:35 pm:   

Ebay Item #270182058124

Sold very quickly for a best offer. Looks very nice. As always, hope someone here got it.

-Chuck
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Johns
Username: Johns

Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 6:09 pm:   

Chuck:

A setneck Firebird is very rare. I would not have guessed it was worth nearly $1200.00.

I'm surprised that there's no picture of the front of the headstock with the Ibanez logo.
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Munch
Username: Munch

Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:46 pm:   

Not only is it set-neck, its got the reverse head-stock and banjo tuners!!

I've never seen one like this.
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Fox
Username: Fox

Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 8:10 pm:   

Munch, there is a photo of reverse Hstock Ibanez Firebird V copy in Ian Bishop's book..He states "the picture is from Ibanez copy, otherwise identical"
Anyway, tis is also for me the first one I've ever seen.
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Jeffsailor
Username: Jeffsailor

Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:26 pm:   

Like Johns said, "no picture of the headstock"...
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix

Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:42 pm:   

I reckon it was a Greco.

Harry?

six
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Chucke99
Username: Chucke99

Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 11:35 pm:   

There's a big ol'"I" on that tremelo cover. Looks Ibby to me. Here are the pics from the auction, since they're so pretty:

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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 3:24 am:   

Hi all

The seller never says says that it IS actually an Ibanez. He only stated: "made by Ibanez" and we know that this is an often made mistake, because in the seventies Ibanez never excisted as a guitar producing factory, but many "laymen" donīt know that.
The only thing I heard about "Ibanez" model nr. 2348 Firebirds with set necks are rumours. Never saw one in any auction, never saw pictures, never saw one in real life.
Apart from that: the reverse headstock and the banjo-style tuners never were to be found on Firebirds with the brand name Ibanez on them.
So, something is fishy here: I believe the one in the auction is a Greco. The Greco version had a set neck and a reverse headstock. However: the tuners on a Greco Firebird were NOT banjo tuners.
The serial number of this Firebird in the auction doesnīt seem to match either. According to the seller it says 6775730, but the Greco guitars had the same serial number system as Ibanez. The number could be misread and probably will be G775730.
My guess? Itīs a Greco, with replacement banjo tuners to make it look as close as possible like a Gibby. It wouldnīt suprise me that the headstock has a counterfeit Gibby logo and therefore is not to be seen in any picture....

Kind greetz,
Harry
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 3:30 am:   

ooops....
overlooked that he said that there is actually the name Ibanez on the truss rod cover. But if so: why not show it? And why is there no picture of the serial number?
Í think I will try to contact the buyer. If this IS really a genuine Ibanez than we have something special here....!

Harry
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 3:42 am:   

So I did.
I wrote an email both to the seller and the buyer.
Curious about any reaction.
To be continued.....

Harry
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix

Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 3:59 am:   

Come on guys. It wouldn't be hard to replicate a transfer for the truss cover on this guitar. Easy enough to rob one from the bolt neck model and put it on this guitar too. If it is a fake, then its a cheap and easy way to do it.

Chucke - what makes you think thats an "I". It looks just like the 'lyre' that is a copy of the Maestro Lyre trem that you would find on Gibsons from about 1962/63 onwards.

I still reckon it's a Greco.

six
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Johns
Username: Johns

Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 8:56 am:   

Here's another thread that talks more about Ibanez and Greco Firebirds:

http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/cgi-bin/discus/sho w.cgi?tpc=13&post=53694#POST53694
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Chucke99
Username: Chucke99

Registered: 2-2007
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 10:36 am:   

OK. I can see that it's more a lyre than an I. But I think I've assumed it's an I before on other guitars with that trem cover. Wasn't there a beautiful white SG a month or so ago with that same trem cover?
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 3:09 pm:   

Six

The robbing and transfer of a trussrod cover from a bolt-on Ibanez Firebird wouldnīt work...the Ibby 2348 has a non-reversed headstock and the Greco has a reversed one. So the shape of the TRC wouldnīt fit.

Harry
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix

Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 5:33 pm:   

Harry,
Dohh! Yeah, I realised that after I posted the thread when I looked through my catalogue.

Harry/Munch.

On each of your bolt neck Firebirds, is the logo slightly "embossed" into the plastic? So for example, if you was to scratch the logo off, would there still be an outline etched into the plastic. I'm sure that this is correct. Like similar to a Performer truss cover or an Artist truss cover for example. I suggest this would be another way of telling if this hrough neck Firebird was Ibanez.

Chucke - yes there was a 2345. Also found on the 2457. If memory serves me right, the Lyre isn't found on the Antoria vesrions of tha same guitars.

six
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Harry
Username: Harry

Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 2:52 am:   

Six,

Yes, the Ibanez logo is embossed into the black one-layer plastic cover. Then "filled up" with white/creme paint.

Harry
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Snowjays
Username: Snowjays

Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 3:23 am:   

I agree with Six, it looks pretty much like a couple of Greco firebirds that I have tried. One was a Firebird VII that also had the banjo tuners.
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Sixvsix
Username: Sixvsix

Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 10:13 am:   

Well then, if that's an Ibanez.... I'll eat my Weir

six

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