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Tubescorcher (Tubescorcher)
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 9:30 am:   

Hello All,
I just purchased a double neck guitar. The seller said it was an Ibanez. It reads IBZ on the headstock. Is this in fact an Ibanez guitar? There was no serial # as well. The seller claims it's a 1972. Any info would be appreciated!!!
Johns (Johns)
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 2:10 pm:   


Good questions. What does it look like? Can you upload a picture?
Tubescorcher (Tubescorcher)
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 4:43 pm:   

Here are some pictures!!!
IBZ Double
Tubescorcher (Tubescorcher)
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 4:44 pm:   

Here are the headstocks.
Captainibanez (Captainibanez)
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 8:08 am:   

This looks like a job for Harry and Hasy me thinks !

Johns (Johns)
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 9:04 am:   

I know there are quite a few of you out there that have the "real" Ibanez version of this. Does it look identical?

IBZ just seems to be too close to IBaneZ for comfort.
Ericsson (Ericsson)
Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 4:04 pm:   

I say YES, the guitar is kosher. An Ibanez in everything but headstock name. Just to be absolutely certain, do the 6 string pickups have no polepiece adjustment screws? That would pretty much clinch it.
Harry (Harry)
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:57 am:   

Hi Tube!

This is definitely a Hoshino made guitar. I own exactly the same model, but with the Ibanez logo.
I tried my best but I could not find any difference between mine and this IBZ.
At this moment I don't know if IBZ was an "alter ego" especially ment for a certain continent or country, like "Antoria" was the name exclusively for Great Britain.
However: the guy who is selling this one is wrong about the age. The very first doubles appeared in the 1974 catalogue (so were probably made in 1973) and can be identified by short horns, or -if you like- undeep cutaways and 4 chrome pickups. Around mid-1974 the body contours changed (longer horns, or: deeper cutaways) and the pickups on the 6-string version had "open coil casings" which revealed the zebra bobbins. From august 1975 on Ibanez used a serial number system (also on sub-brands like Antoria), stamped in the neck-body joint plate. So: the IBZ has the long horns and the zebra pickups, but no serial number. That means that this instrument was built between mid 1974 and august 1975.
Ericsson, the original zebra-pickup on my 6-string section (the other one is a non-original)DOES have adjustment screws in the white bobbin. The pickups always had, even the first Maxxon pickups had rectangular magnets in one bobbin and adjustment screws in the other. Or are you trying to say that if the IBZ is "Hoshino made" it should have adjustment screws?
Kind greetz,
Ericsson (Ericsson)
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 3:24 pm:   

The uncovered "zebra" pickups on the 6-string neck should have no adjustable polepieces. ie no screws.
Tubescorcher (Tubescorcher)
Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   

Thanks for all your input on this everybody. I'll post better picts when I receive the guitar. The seller says this thing is in "as new condition" which I'd be suprised to see for a 30 year old guitar!!!
Thanks Again!!!
Harry (Harry)
Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 4:36 am:   

Hi Ericsson!

I'm sorry to tell you, but I think you're mistaken. I have seen many Ibanez double necks, I own a few and I have a huge file of Ibanez pictures. But all the humbucking pickups show one bobbit with adjustable (screw) polepieces, even the very old ones (I have a 6-6 walnut double, one of the first) have one bobbit with rectangular pole pieces but the other bobbit has adjustable screws. Can you show a picture of a non-adjustable Ibanez humbucker to prove that I'm wrong about this or do you own an Ibanez double neck with such pickups? I'm never to old to learn and we all know that the old 70s Ibanez period still can bring up some undiscovered suprises.
Kind greetz,
Ericsson (Ericsson)
Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 9:36 am:   

Pre-serial setneck doubleneck with original pickups. Note lack of screw polepieces in 6 string neck pickups. Note also rectangular magnets on slug coil.

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Dave_G (Dave_G)
Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 8:18 pm:   

I've seen those pickups on Electra and Aria guitars, never on a Ibanez--live and learn !
Harry (Harry)
Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 3:48 am:   

Hi Ericsson!

Proved again: the value of this collector's board!
Thanks to tributers fom all over the World we just keep on discovering new facts.
Thanks for sharing this info: this was completely new for me. Is this double neck yours? And does the headstock really say "Ibanez"? Great! Again one new discovery!
But we know now that it's not a common rule. The original pickups can either have adjustable screw polepieces or not. As I told you I own a couple of doubles: I have a pre-serial cherry 12-6, a pre-serial walnut 6-6 and a 1979 white 4-6 which all have adjustable screw polepieces.
Kind greetings,
Harry (Harry)
Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 3:59 am:   

sorry: a little mistake: the white 4-6 is from 1978.
Johns (Johns)
Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 8:55 am:   


So, what do you think of the setneck doubles? Do you have any comparisons with the bolt-ons or even the real deal Gibby?
Ericsson (Ericsson)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 3:40 pm:   

Hi John-

Who can resist a doubleneck? I've got the image of Jimmy Page burned into my brain playing one, and I love the 12 string sound. I was really surprised at the quality of the Ibanez setneck double EDS-1275 copy. I had played some bolton versins years ago in pawn shops and such and was completely unimpressed. I think it's tough to get a 12 string bolt on right... but the setneck one pictured above is a great guitar. No problems flying across the 12 string neck. Highly recommended, but hold out for the set neck if you can.

Compared to Gibson? The EDS1275 model changed a lot over the years, if you played one it is likely from the 70's... I think that in most cases they are a cut above the Ibanez version but prone to lacking any special personality.
Ariblues (Ariblues)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   

Here is Arbiter doubleneck
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