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Author Message Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 4:49 pm:    Sure, it's a loaded question. But of all of the great models Ibanez has created over the years, which SPECIFIC guitars do you think are pushing up in value the fastest or that will become hot collectables? Artists? Semi-Hollows? Double-necks? AMs? RGs? Signature models? Custom models? Artstars? Artcores? Prestige models? ????????????? Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 8:51 pm:    Anything with a vine or an EQ. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 9:48 pm:    If you want to keep a hareem satisfied, you should actually never even bring up this matter... I'm rather fond of hollow and semi-hollows, but I would like a good Studio, Musician and AR as well, because they are original designs of high quality. I started carefully with a ST50 now. And when you talk about ergonomics, I love the Strat and good copies of it. And a biting tele has its charm too. Paulas sound great but are a bit heavy. (I've got 5 or so, but no Ibanez, they've been pushing up quite fast the last few years). It all depends on what I want to hear at that very moment in that very particular mood. I like a good portion of fish and chips now and then, but not every day. Same goes for pizza or Indonesian sweet and sour porc... although... Talking about prestige: the feel of the neck is always very important to me. So, I can perfectly understand that people are willing to pay more for a prestige neck. I don't like the Samick era (round 1994) necks and their satin matt finish. Ginger Snowjays Username: Snowjays Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 11:28 pm:    What DID he just say?? Mr_roadstar Username: Mr_roadstar Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 2:21 am:    It's "Ginger Speak". I still haven't got a clue... The Bear Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 7:38 am:    For me, it's the stuff we haven't seen yet. six Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 8:28 am:    Where can I see the "Ginger Speak" model? Season's Greetings Juha Oh, I hope it is AS103NT Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 8:44 am:    "Ginger Speak" -- a classic Bearism! Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:01 am:    Tim I would say all but the Artcores and RG's not including the Prestige version. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:43 am:    Freak, You're right about the RG's, but I never said, I didn't like Artcores. I said I'm rather fond of hollow and semi-hollow bodies. That includes Artcores as well. That I don't agree with the assumption that the AS103NT surpassed the AS120 in sound, doesn't mean that I don't like Artcores. I always advice not completely satisfied owners of the cheaper models to keep them and try Super 58's in them. About that "all". You're quite right. I love them all, but what's remarkable: I never bought an Ibanez steelstring acoustic, although their pretty good too. But I have so many high end acoustics, that buying them wouldn't make any sense for me. Ginger Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:50 am:    Ginger I bought a Ibanez AJCEAV a few years back as a beater guitar because its a solid top and laminate sides that will endure me carrying it to and from lesson that a give. (I travel to students homes). I have heard people marvel at thhe sound of it probably because its a jumbo sized. The original question Tim asked was what is going up in value. The Artcores are not increasing in value at this time.I never said you said anything about them in this thread. Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 10:13 am:    OK, as far as possible appreciating Ibanez's so far we have: "Anything with a vine or an EQ." "For me, it's the stuff we haven't seen yet." "...all but the Artcores and RG's not including the Prestige version." "I hope it is AS103NT" & "Ginger Speak" Any other thoughts from you IBZ speculators? Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 2:48 pm:    I think the MIJ low-end semi-accoustics like AS50, AS100, and AM50 are seeing their prices being elevated by the high-end models in their series. While the AS200s and AM205s are going up in price steadily, the cheaper models have made much bigger gains in the last year or so. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 3:26 pm:    I looked at the title, and thought you meant what I appreciated most. So I understood the question totally wrong. But when we talk about increasing prices: the 2675CA, a Weir, a 2671 Scruggs, an AR5000 limited edition, an AR3000 limited edition, the 2460 (L-5 model) and the 2461 Johnny Smith, the George Benson GB10 have increased over the last three years. Point is: how much further can their prices rise? An increase of $500.- on a $5,000.- guitar is only 10%. But who's going to pay let's say a 25% profit (that's $1250) extra on a $5,000.- guitar (so $6,250.-)? I see higher percentages possible for the 1980's MIJ AM (Artist and Artstar) series, which have been underestimated for several years. I see also possibilities for the Artstars made by CORT. They were often sold for very low prices, like $350.- $375.- $450.- but now I see some in Holland for €600.- and €700.- (and the minty €700.- AS120 has disappeared from Marktplaats, so it seems that it was sold). So percentages of 20-35 are possible, if people start judging them on their sound instead of on the Made in Korea label. $100.- profit on a $400.- guitar is 25%, $150.- profit on a guitar that was bought second hand for $450.- is 33%. And it's not thousands of dollars stuck in one superexpensive collector's piece you almost don't dare to touch. That's how I look at it. (The only problem on these cheaper ones is, that the shipping to Europe is just as expensive as for a high end guitar. So importing them into Europe is not so interesting.) In the prices people pay there are lots of emotions involved. Any incident on the level of world politics (official or unofficial) can change our behaviour as consumers. So if there are no planes flying into buildings etc. etc, this is how it MIGHT work out for the next year. OK, you wanted to talk a little money. Let's get back on this one after a year and see what really happened, because the proof of the pudding... is in the eating. Merry Christmas and a Happy Collecting Year, Ginger Guitartim Username: Guitartim Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 4:23 pm:    Very interesting comments! One thing I did not see/read is that Ibanez guitar values get drug upwards in aftermarket/collectable markets due to other brand's steady price increases. Fender and Gibson and PRS have no problem raising their respective prices each year for basically the same products they've been cranking out for years. All they have to do is modify or improve one aspect of their guitars or better yet, stick a celebrity name on it and BAM...up goes the price. Ibanez in the 70' and 80's had something to prove. So the quality 'bang-for-buck' was huge by comparison. Now many of these fine instruments are worth much more than they were brand new. Today's economy has pushed some of IBZ production to Korea and China, with only a select few still being luthiered in Japan. And even fewer being made as 'limited production' models. But they still are fantastic values on a comparative basis. Where does this leave collectors and players? Hence the original question in this thread. Are we seeing the beginning of more increases in IBZ used gits? If so, how far up do you think it will go? I see the GB10 I saved for and bought new back in '97 for a whopping $1,700 sell used for around $2,000 today. '80s Artist Solid bodies and semi-hollows are holding their own and then some! Whatever happens it's interesting to see the instruments we play and love actually become valuable to others while we've enjoyed them for years before it was cool. Holmis63 Username: Holmis63 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 4:38 pm:    I bought a 1977, 2680 Bob Weir in april this year for $625, a couple of month later i was offered $1500 but i refuse to sell because they donīt make those kind of guitars any more! But itīs a god example of how much the goodies rice in value! Generaly one can say from ebay and other sources that ibanezes from mid 70:s to mid 80:s rice in value with a steep curvature! The semi hollows seems to be the best investments. Holmis63 Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 6:25 pm:    A 1977 Weir for $625.-? Unbelievable. Depending on the condition, I'd say between $1,500.- and $2,500.- Especially when you want to import them from Europe, now. Ginger Sixvsix Username: Sixvsix Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 7:41 pm:    A 2680 Ginger not a 2681 six Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:02 pm:    There is a 2680 in the local GC for $899.00. I played it last week. had a hard time keeping it tuned. Its beenm there for about 2 years and was 699.00. Fox Username: Fox Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 9:12 pm:    Hi there all fellow Ibanezers! And Seasons Greetings from the Real Home of Santa, Finland! (Although I live in the South) As for the current question , Id go with Snowjays, anything with a vine or an EQ... Although Id like to see more interest in Lonestars, particularily Lonestar electrics.. although Im not too fond of te sound of their piezos.. (regrettably, still no hyphens in my writing, try to cope) Acetan Username: Acetan Registered: 09-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 2:14 am:    I wish the world woulld discover the Lonestars also. I got four and love them all. Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 05-2006 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 5:23 am:    They don't know what they're missing. This one's been relisted now for only $250.- : http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=1802666&mpre=ht tp%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D250058138787 Nr 5? The seller's name is "Ace" too... A relative of yours? Ginger Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 8:36 am:    It's gone. With people needing Christamas money some sellers will take the 1st offer. I had one of these back in 1986 and I paid $60.00 dollars for it. Johns Username: Johns Registered: 02-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 10:01 am:    Tim: I don't know about appreciating, money-wise, but a couple of guitars that I like which don't get much mention on this vintage-oriented site are the J-Custom and USA Custom series. If you're not into S and RG guitars, then these may just change you're mind. Definitely a cut above the production guitars. Goat Username: Goat Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 11:14 am:    Oh, in terms of price increases recently, I'd say the "Korina" Lawsuit models of the V, Explorer and Moderne... along with the occasionally seen (and recently seen ) "Korina" Iceman have all been steadily climbing pretty non-stop since I started collecting. Also the Les Paul style models have been creeping up of late, the Scruggs model and Custom Agents both rising steadily. I'd imagine any older p-90 equipped guitars have also gone up a bit... but being as I haven't seen one in a while, I couldn't really prove it. Agree the entire Artist line seems to have increased a bit and also the Musician line as well. I'd imagine good prices would hold up for the sale of nice examples of Artist accoustics. Now... if I can just find me a Ibanez tele before they get too expensive... Fingersmcoy Username: Fingersmcoy Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 6:09 pm:    I would have to say any Artist model. The Artist Pro. is schweeeeet.. Artfield Username: Artfield Registered: 04-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 8:40 pm:    I would say: gember i did use your metallic turtle wax (blue botlle)

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