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murphman
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:04 am: | |
What did this guitar retail when it was new. I have an 83' Murph |
timo
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:04 am: | |
According to my February 1, 1984 price list, the
RS-1010SL had a list price of $695.00.
If your guitar has a birdseye maple top, maple
neck with ebony fretboard, Hardrocker Pro bridge
and a marine blue sunburst finish and a serial
number that starts with 84..., it sounds like
you've got a winner |
Geoff Bradley
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:04 am: | |
Just came across this page. I bought a Steve Lukather in 83 and still have it today. Many other guitars have come and gone but this one is a FAVE of mine. It just never fails me. The color and finish are still awesome and it never fails to get attention and questions about it probably do to the color. Any other thought guys? |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:31 am: | |
Hey Ya'll,
I am gathering data on Steve Lukather model Roadstars ( RS1010SL ). I need serial numbers (first 3 characters) and the design type. I'm trying to determine when the change from the first to second design took place.
1st design (early):
HardRocker Pro tremolo (no locking nut)
21 frets
Natural maple headstock
2nd design (late):
ProRock'R tremolo with locking nut
22 frets
Color matched headstock
There may be variations! Let's sort 'em out.
Cheers
Steve |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:41 pm: | |
Hi Steve
If they follow the pattern of the Destroyer, I believe the change was made Late January or febuary. My friend has a Destroyer made A84xxxx that still had the Hard Rock'r without the locking nut. I have seen two Destroyers with a C84xxxx serial which both had the Pro Rock'r & locking nut. |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 5:50 am: | |
Hi Steve,
I'm a massive Luke fan and have a very early interview with him taken from an old UK mag called "Music UK". There are a couple of shots with Luke and a signature Roadster plus another custom model Ibanez. Would you like me to send a scan through to you?
six |
Guitaki (Guitaki)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 5:56 pm: | |
Steve,
The 2nd edition also has the back of the neck painted black, as well as the headstock, which are both natural in the 1st edition.
The funniest thing, my RS1010SL might have a changed neckplate, since it states L83... It also doesn't have the Steve Lukather autograph. I had a 1st edition earlier, and it was made in 84!
Sixvsix:
Is it true that Lukather was not too happy working with Ibanez? I heard he thought Ibanez wasn't willing to do things he wanted on his signature model. Just a hear-say? Hopefully.
-Aki. |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 6:15 pm: | |
Hi Aki,
Yes I read that somewhere too. But remember it was a long time ago now. Probably 20 years or so ago when they had an association. Ibanez have endorsed just about every guitar player I can think of so they couldn't possibly please them all.
I'll email John the pics I have of Luke and perhaps he will post them up on this thread for me (good ol' John).
six |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 2:38 pm: | |
What I was looking for, was hard evidence of the serial number (date) and whether that serial number is attached to an early or late design.
Here's what I have so far:
L83**** - Early
A84**** - Early
I84**** - Late
Aki, yes I am aware of other differences between the designs. I was trying to simplify the ID process.
Lazz, if it was simply a model year change I wouldn't be compiling this info.
I need RS1010SL owners to step up!
Cheers
Steve |
Orval (Orval)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 3:13 pm: | |
here's the info from mine,
A84 Early
L84 Late |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:03 am: | |
Thanx, Orval.
Cheers
Steve |
Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 6:51 pm: | |
Steve,
I also sent it via e-mail:
L83 early
-Dennis |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:38 pm: | |
Gracias... |
Johns (Johns)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 10:37 am: | |
Here are the pictures that Six set of Steve Lukather:
 
I'd really like to know where this custom guitar is?
I picked up the Steve Lukather and Larry Carlton live recording in Japan a couple of weeks ago. (I forget the name right now, but it's on Steve Vai's Favored Nation label). Definitely a guitar players CD...not for the average listener. |
Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 11:04 am: | |
WoW! The custom looks nice. Who said that Ibanez wasn't working with the Steve?? Too bad the production model didn't have a chance to keep evolving... The toggle switch moved next to the neck pickup and what appears to be a body matching headstock looks great! I suppose Luke also prefererd V/T V/T controls and the jack on the edge and not on the top of the body. Any idea the date and location of where the photo was taken? I'm sure that prize guitar is sitting pretty in someone's collection. |
Meranti (Meranti)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 11:57 am: | |
Steve,
Here's two numbers:
H83 early
L84 late
Thanks John for sorting out my account.
Regards,
Meranti |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 2:47 pm: | |
Meranti,
H83****? Is that really on a Steve Lukather neck plate? Way early if it is!
Just to make sure everybody is 100% clear, this is what the RS1010SL neck plate looks likes:
If yours doesn't look like the one above, I don't want to include it in the data.
Cheers
Steve |
Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 3:30 pm: | |
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Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 3:33 pm: | |
"You are not accessing this page from an acceptable referring page. What are you trying to do?
$!: No such file or directory ".
LOL!! I guess my answer is , I have no idea! |
Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 3:37 pm: | |
In case you want to see what I was trying to upload:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ibanezroadstar/vwp?.dir=/Display+your+Guitar+here&.src=gr&.dnm=R1010SL+Neckplate.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ibanezroadstar/lst%3f%26.dir=/Display%2byour%2bGuitar%2bhere%26.src=gr%26.view=t |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 9:44 am: | |
Hi John,
About that custom guitar. It seems to be a fixed neck guitar and roughly based on the Roadstar. However, that magazine article dates from 1983 so the guitar must have been made previous to that. Perhaps it was a prototype and subsequently the production Luke model was a compromise on construction and price. Who knows?
Like you, I also would like to know where it is. Maybe Luke gave it to a friend or something.
I'm sure Steve would like it in his collection. What do you think Steve, does it look like a prototype Luke model to you?
Incidentally, I caught the Larry and Luke show last year at the Hackney Empire (great venue) here in the UK. It was astounding! Lukather spent most of the night telling the audience that he wasn't worthy enough to be on the same stage as Mr.335, which I thought was kinda nice.
Oh and thanks for posting those pics.
six |
Tim_Gueguen (Tim_Gueguen)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 5:21 pm: | |
Its probably sitting in a case someplace in Toto's warehouse, if there is such a thing. Who knows, maybe they'll have an auction someday of old gear a la the Genesis auction of a year or two back and it will become available. |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 2:07 pm: | |
Honestly? I don't see any resemblance to a Roadstar in the custom. Looks more like a Musician or Concert body to me.
Anybody else got serial numbers for me?
Cheers
Steve |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 8:08 pm: | |
Yes the Concert series! I knew it reminded me of something else Steve. Well spotted.
six |
Johns (Johns)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 10:27 am: | |
My eyes see many features that somewhat resemblance other models: Musician, Artist, (which models had the duckbill headstock? Paul Stanley?). However, the combination makes it pretty unique.
The guitar it resembles the least is the Roadstar. I see a smidgeon of Concert, so little it is probably just coincidence.
I'd love to hear the story of it's development. Also which came first? If Luk and Ibanez had stuck it out, might this have become the "new" Lukather model? Or was this a case like the "Weir Cowboy" guitar; a prototype that never made it into production? |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
The "Duckbill" headstock was used on the X-Series in the front half of the '80s. The Pro-Line Series also had it around '85. Roadstars didn't get it until '87 (along with damned near everything else).
When did the Destroyer(II) first have it?
The Iceman and Paul Stanley had their own thing goin' on in the headstock department.
Cheers
Steve |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 7:48 pm: | |
The Destroyer II had it from it's inception in 1980. The Destroyer II was the first model to use this headstock. |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 7:52 pm: | |
1980 Set Neck Destroyer II (DT-300)
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Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 7:40 pm: | |
Thanx, Laaz!
Cheers
Steve |
Meranti (Meranti)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:23 pm: | |
Steve,
I have been travelling and just read your post. Will get pics or info back to you when I get back.
Regards,
Meranti |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 9:57 am: | |
There is a 1983 model on Ebay right now. Can't make out the serial, but maybe you can contact the seller & get the info you need.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2579701553&category=33043
Cheers, Laaz |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:07 am: | |
Also a nice promo banner up for auction. Maybe Dennis would want to add it to his collection.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2578765519&category=33043 |
Meranti (Meranti)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 1:13 am: | |
Steve,
I have checked on the guitar and the '83 does not have a Steve Lukather name nor model number on the neck plate while the '84 does. I enclose pics of the guitars here.
Since the question is whether the '83 is really a H83 or Steve Lukather model I really cannot confirm as I am not the first owner. I am basing this from the fact that it has snow flakes and an ebony fingerboard. However, what I can say is that everything else appears stock. What is interesting is that the gold plating on the tuners, pups and the neck plate shows similar wear. However, I notice that the bridge and the arm shows less wear on the gold plating.
I personally do not think that the neck plate could have been changed at some stage and replaced with another gold plated one. If it was what other models would have a gold plated one?
I am basing it partly by looking at the screws. They appear un-touched which leads me to believe that either this is an original or is not a RS-1010SL.
Note that for the '84, it is still waiting for restoration as there are some missing pieces in the bridge assembly. Anyone out there can help?
Could someone please post a pic of the output jack assembly or let me know what it looks like?
I have not checked the pups as some may notice appears to have been modified.
Regards,
Meranti |
Meranti (Meranti)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 1:30 am: | |
Sorry trying again.
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Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 5:34 pm: | |
Meranti,
The snowflake inlays and the position of the control knobs are RS1010SL only features. I'd guess it was either a very early one, or somebody carefully swapped the plate from an RS1000. I'll include the H83**** date in my database with a footnote.
Ya'll notice the different headstocks? I'm not talking about the color.
Cheers
Steve |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 5:54 pm: | |
Hi Steve hese another one to add to your database incase you missed it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2575849446&category=33043 |
Laaz (Laaz)
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 8:46 pm: | |
Another here http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2577400277&category=23300 |
Craigjc (Craigjc)
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:10 am: | |
Almost bid on this one. Went for under $300 !!!!
My loss. I think I need another amp more than I need another Ibanez right now (did I really just say that?)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2579701553&category=33043 |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:45 pm: | |
Got 'em! Thanx Laaz.
Craig, no sh*t, huh? Too bad I've already blown my wad on Christmas gifts this month (and next). I really need to get a snake for the PA...
Cheers
Steve |
Craigjc (Craigjc)
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 2:24 pm: | |
Yeah, Steve, Christmas has me tapped out, too. All I want for Christmas is a winning Lottery ticket.
Happy Kringle
Craig |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 8:10 am: | |
Christmas.... glad it only comes once a year.
Perhaps next year we should put together an Ibanez wish list.
Someone might tip off Santa for us. |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Sunday, December 28, 2003 - 2:59 pm: | |
RS1010SL Fake? If so, why would someone go to all that trouble? It's definitely an RS1000CS body. Look at the position of the volume knobs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369384961&category=33043&rd=1
Cheers
Steve |
Johns (Johns)
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 10:31 am: | |
Steve:
What trouble? Aren't we just talking a switch of the neck and neckplate?
The knobs are changed, correct?
You're the expert. So what else makes you think this is a 1000CS body rather than the only 1010SL ever made in cherryburst?  |
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 11:13 am: | |
I'm kind of with Steve on this. I really think we're going to see an increase in this sort of thing. I guess it's mostly due to a lack of knowledge but there are some sinister goings on out there.
six |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 12:40 pm: | |
I guess I'm just stumped as to the circumstances that would bring this about. How does one come to have an SL neck and an RS1000 body? What happened to the RS1000 neck and the SL body?
I suspect the pickups have been changed since the rings are not correct. And yes, John, the knobs got swapped too 
Cheers
Steve |
Dennis68 (Dennis68)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 6:35 am: | |
I sent the seller an inquiry about this guitar. He replied this is the way he bought it and knew little of the guitar and it's history. Clearly, Steve has likely called this right.
I now see the seller has since canceled the item from auction. |
Guitaki (Guitaki)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 8:25 pm: | |
Perhaps my eyes are not trained enough, but for me it seems that November 11th Meranti sent pictures from a RS1010SL and a RS1010SL 2nd Edition.
I have only the 2nd Edition nowadays, and it has a painted neck (black) with body matching sunburst headstock, shaped like the darker one in the picture. The Locking system behind the nut also matches the picture, as well as having a 22-fret fretboard.
By the way, I have a _chrome_ neckplate without Lukather autograph, and the serial begins with L83****. I always thought it was changed, but the date seems to match... Go figure.
-Aki |
Ibnzplyr (Ibnzplyr)
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 1:54 am: | |
Hello:
I bought the Luke mentioned above-- it sold for a bit less than $300 on eBay.
The seller must've forgotten () to mention the nut was split and glued in. When I wrote to him about it, he got all puffed up with hot air. As a bonus, a small piece of a guitar string had been glued in the nut to partially fill one nut slot that had been filed way to big for the string. This apparently had been done long ago. The seller claimed he never noticed any of this. He didn't mentioned if he had a seeing eye dog, but then there were no teeth marks on the guitar body or neck.
The guitar guy who I've been going to said the area had to be routed out deeply. He recommended an LSR (comes on some new Fenders). Sounded like I had no choice. The LSR works great.
It's a beautiful guitar. I especially like the ebony fretboard and the finish. I don't really care for the volume boost from the super hot bridge pickup, but that's okay.
Scott |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:53 pm: | |
Hey Scott,
Are you referring to the Cherry Sunburst, or the one farther up the thread?
Sorry to hear about the issues with the nut. That kinda stuff is very irritating. I'd much rather have a badly worn original guitar than deal with previously F'd up repairs. Glad you found a fix.
Have you tried moving the pickup away from the strings? That'll usually take the bite out of a hot one.
Cheers
Steve |
Ibnzplyr (Ibnzplyr)
| | Posted on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 6:41 pm: | |
Hello Steve:
It was the regular marine blue one, the real one-- was 294 bucks/no case. I didn't complain much to the seller because the price was good. Overall, a really nice guitar.
I'll try lowering the bridge hummer-- good idea. Going to the bridge pickup is more like a volume boost, going to eleven, than that much of a tonal difference.
The body seems huge compared with my Ghostrider 520, which I have been playing a lot since I got it a few months ago-- still waiting for the greenie GR220-- should be this week.
I also have a cherry red RS1300. Right now, I have the pro rock'r bridge apart for cleaning. I am mainly trying to track down some buzz. Maybe it's the string balls loose inside that vibrate. Anyway, it's just an annoyance as the amp does not pick any of this rattle up. But it's driving me nuts. Otherwise, I love the 1300!!!
Take care-- Scott |
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
| | Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 3:03 pm: | |
Scott,
I notice a significant difference in feel between the early and late R'star bodies. The '86 and later bodies are smaller by fractions of an inch, but it feels like more. It's not as noticable on the '83 RS1400 since it has a crystal cut body. It's more like a Musician or Studio shape.
If the buzz is still there after you reassemble it, try playing with the fine tuner positions. I have a similar problem with a couple of my Edge trems. If the fine tuner is backed off too far, the position of the saddle makes the string buzz. I can't explain it, I just know what makes it stop!
Cheers
Steve |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 10:04 pm: | |
Here's another chapter in the Steve Lukather and Ibanez relationship. This is an older ad (Guitar Player?), probably from '82 to '84, showing Steve playing a Marine Sunburst AR300. Boy, he loved that finish!
I wonder if this was before the "custom made" guitar shown at the beginning of this thread?
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Tim_gueguen
Username: Tim_gueguen
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:49 pm: | |
Nah, thats not the custom. The upper horn on the custom is longer than the lower one, while the guitar in that picture has horns of equal length. Just a normal AR300 or whatever. |
Brentm
Username: Brentm
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:25 pm: | |
His latest guitar. From what I read, he loves the newly designed prototype tremolo.
http://www.geocities.com/jbstratman/MusicManLukenew.jpg
-Brent |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 9:29 am: | |
Tim:
I think you missed the right-side of my message. The guitar shown in the ad is definitely an AR300. The headline and the copy also focus on the "Artist".
This was a surprise to me, because the only other setneck Ibanez I've seen Luke associated with was the "custom made" one shown earlier in the thread.
My question is the timeline for the evolution of Steve's Ibanez guitars. Did it start with the AR300, next the Custom Made prototype, and then end with the RS1010SL? (That's the order I'd guess.) Or some other order? |
Johns
Username: Johns
Registered: 02-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 9:44 am: | |
Brent:
I played a used Music Man Petrucci model at a local GC. I was surprised at how comfortable the neck was. There was a lot going for the guitar that made it very nice to play. However, it was not cheap.
Personally, the MM signature guitars just don't do it for me in the looks department. |
Mr_roadstar
Username: Mr_roadstar
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:07 pm: | |
Here's an update on my RS1010SL serial number research:
1st Design production - November '83 through January '84
2nd Design production - August '84 through December '84
Steve |
Laaz
Username: Laaz
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 9:19 am: | |
Actually there was a Rocket Roll RR-400SL model...
http://www.hat.hi-ho.ne.jp/luke99/rocketroll.htm |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:00 am: | |
Steve and Johns,
I noticed this thread just now, and read it through.
Here's info of my RS1010SLs, just to confirm your research, Steve.
L83**** Early
I84**** Late
And regarding the ad Johns posted a few days ago. My understanding has been that the guitar Steve Lukather was playing in the photo is an AR305AV. (The same photo was used in an ad in some Japanese Guitar magazine.) Indeed the one shown in your photo has a flavor of marine sunburst, but I guess it's due to something that happened during scanning/processing the image. If I find the photo, I'll post it here. |
Mr_roadstar
Username: Mr_roadstar
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:12 am: | |
Many thanx, Hasenobu!
Steve |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:24 am: | |
I found the ad mentioned above. It's from 1982 "Guitar Magazine" August issue.
And one more picture. This one is from 1984 "Guitar Magazine" April issue.
Though I have no intention to be controversial, it may be interesting to note that the early model of RS1010SL was shown in the 1984 April ad.
One more thing I'd like to mention is the origin of the numbering "1010" for the model. Yes, there's RS1000, RS1300, and so on. But,
why 1010?
Does anyone have any information about this?
What I know may be just a rumor, but it has something to do with the Japanese language.... |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:25 am: | |
I found the ad mentioned above. It's from 1982 "Guitar Magazine" August issue.
And one more picture. This one is from 1984 "Guitar Magazine" April issue.
Though I have no intention to be controversial, it may be interesting to note that the early model of RS1010SL was shown in the 1984 April ad.
One more thing I'd like to mention is the origin of the numbering "1010" for the model. Yes, there's RS1000, RS1300, and so on. But,
why 1010?
Does anyone have any information about this?
What I know may be just a rumor, but it has something to do with the Japanese language.... |
Ibnzplyr
Username: Ibnzplyr
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 3:53 pm: | |
Steve: My Lukester is an L83 as well.
Scott |
Mr_roadstar
Username: Mr_roadstar
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 11:29 pm: | |
April '84 should show a first design RS1010SL. The second design did not go into production until August of that year. Advertising is not an accurate source for dating. Ads will offen use photos of prototypes or earlier production models. Neither the RS400 nor RS450 were available in the USA.
Thanx, Scott!
Steve |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:59 am: | |
Steve,
> Advertising is not an accurate source for dating.
Of course, I agree. All I wanted to say by posting the ad is, isn't it interesting that they continued advertising a model which they had, presumably, already stopped producing three months before?
>Ads will offen use photos of prototypes or earlier production models.
Yes, I agree with this, too.
But now you mention "earlier production models,"
can I ask you what you mean by the phrase?
You mean the older models than the ones available at the
time of advertising?
Or, a kind of "forward production"? (I don't know
the exact expression.... Well, I mean some guitars have "time-shifted serial numbers." For example, imagine that you bought a guitar with L84**** serial number in the summer of 1984.) |
Mr_roadstar
Username: Mr_roadstar
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 4:43 pm: | |
Here's an example:
http://www.ibanezcollectors.com/discus/messages/17/3230.jpg
The text says "AR112" when in fact it's a 2618-12.
Steve |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 7:26 am: | |
Steve,
I think it natural that they use pics showing some endorsed musicians playing preceding models.
I know some other examples where a guitarist is playing 26** in an ad for AR300.
But in my opinion, the ad I cited above is essentially different from those common cases in that Ibanez showed a model itself when they apparrently stopped producing a few months earlier. So, I called it "interesting."
Anyway, will you please have a look at the catalogue scans below?
http://www.geocities.jp/ar_lovers_room/catalogues/1984_07part1/84_05.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/ar_lovers_room/catalogues/1984_07part1/84_06.jpg
As you can see, these are for the newer RS1010SL, and this catalogue was issued in July of 1984.
The very interesting point is, however, the neckplate shown in these two pages.
The serial number reads "L844584"!
(Don't worry Mr. Lukather is holding the early model in the pic; it often happens, as you know.) |
Mr_roadstar
Username: Mr_roadstar
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 5:19 pm: | |
I don't read Japanese, but I don't see anything that puts a printing date on these pages.
Steve |
Hasenobu
Username: Hasenobu
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 8:50 pm: | |
Steve,
Sorry that there's no information on printing date in these pages themselves.
It can be found in another page, which says "the contents of the catalogue is as of the July of Showa 59 (=1984)."
And once again, regarding the neckplate. The picture of the plated is located in the center, crossing these two pages, so I managed to put the
two pieces of the picture into one:
Considering the 6 month gap, I don't deny the possibility
that this is just a sample plate, but does this mean
thay Ibanez already had decided the last month of
the RS1010SL production?
If so, isn't it intriguing? |