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Bobmeredith (Bobmeredith)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:46 am:   

I'm thinking about putting them in my LR-10 to
get a warmer jazzier tone. Would this do the trick?

I like the sound of the current 58s, they are a good versatile pickup.

Thanks,

Bob
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:58 pm:   

Bob,

We're talking about very subtle differences here. However, I think you're on the right track. The Antiquity pups will be just a tad less bright than the Super58's. What are you using for stings on the LR?

Cheers
Steve
Funkle (Funkle)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 3:14 pm:   

I agree with steve, any change will be subtile. The Super 58 is a good jazz PU, as Sco and Metheny demonstrate. Another pickup may have other benefits, like better chord definition, which is one of my issues with the 58 - it gets a little muddy in the neck, as many humbuckers do. It may be worth considering Benedetto or Bartolini PAFs, these are renown jazz PUs.

Heavier strings, possibly flat wound will mellow the sound some. I found that using a Jim Dunlop 208 pick mellows the sound more than any string change I have tried. Trying some different capacitors in the tone circuit might also be worth investigating - this would have a much more pronounced effect on the tone.

Let us know what you end up with.

-Sven
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 4:38 pm:   

Hey Sven!

Your comment about the "muddiness" of a Super58 in the neck is interesting. I find that the definition in chords is terrific.
However, I use light strings (10-46) and play mostly rock/country. Not a lot of complex chords there!
Also, the tone and volume controls are usually kept wide open. Definitely NOT the typical Jazz settings.

Cheers
Steve
Bobmeredith (Bobmeredith)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 6:49 pm:   

Thanks for your help guys,

I'm using bog standard D'addario 10s with a medium action.I use the thick Purple JDs. I don't want to go to flatwounds on this guitar as I want it to perform blues, fusion and funk duties as well. If I had big Jazz box I would put Flatwounds on in a flash.

I haven't found the 58s to be muddy at all.I haven't taken this guitar out on a gig with my new amp yet (Boogie MKIII), I may find that at stage volumes the 58s will achieve the sound I want anyway. I can simulate the sounds I want with a combination of the Boogie and tweaked patches on my Korg A3

I do really like the sound I'm currently getting and I know I'm asking a lot to get a full body sound out of a thinline.

I'm going to buy a new set of PU rings so I don't ruin the originals, will any replacement set work?

Ciao

Bob
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:24 pm:   

Bob,

The generic replacement rings I've found are usually Gibson sized. That is, slightly smaller outside than the Ibanez rings. This requires new holes in the body for the ring mounting screws.
YMMV !

Cheers
Steve
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 5:27 am:   

I have Antiquity pups in a 81' Tokai 335 and it sounds great.

six
Paddy_F (Paddy_F)
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 1:36 pm:   

Hi Six, (and everybody),
long time no hear, somebody has offered me an early Tokia 335, how do you find it?.

Paddy,

p.s. been busy earning a living for the last few months
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:47 am:   

Hello Paddy,

Yes been in Oz for a while...had to come home and get back to work unfortunately.

Well I have nothing bad to say about the Tokai version of the 59'/60' dot neck 335's. It's lucky that they are offering you an early one as I think they are a lot nicer. Have played a couple of newish ones that just don't hit the spot (if you know what I mean).

My one is blonde but they also came in sunburst and cherry too although the cherry looks a little fake. Also some came with fancy inlays on the headstock (like my one) and some even had flash binding around the body with fancy inlays on the fingerboard (kinda Ibanez flavouring there don't ya think?)

Anyway the regular Tokai pups are a little thin to my trashed ears but other guys swear by em' but all-in-all a really nice guitar and the nearest you will get to an original.

Serial numbers are easy. It wil either star with a 0 for 1980, 1 for 1981, 2 for 1982 and so on. Usually a 6 to 8 digit s/#.

Let me know how you get on.

six
Bobmeredith (Bobmeredith)
Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 8:23 pm:   

Hi Folks!

I finally just installed a set of Seymour Duncan Antiquity pickups in my 1980 LR-10 and the sound is heavenly. The 58s are a really professional quality pup; they just weren't quite the sound I was looking for.The Duncans have warmth + clarity, something I could never get out of my
old Gibson Les Paul.

The reviews on the Harmony Central are spot on.

The neck pup has a lot of warmth and the string
definition is amazing. (Bell like is a common description) It sounds great for
Jazz chordal solos as well as clean single line
stuff as well.

The back pup has this really sweet crunch that reminds me of the Allman Bros sounds.The response is really even with no hint of harshness at all.

The middle position is really usable now.The 58s
had this slight honkyness/hollowness in the middle position that I didn't like.The SDs have
a bright but sweet sound in the middle pos which
seems to be great for Funk and Pop Rhythm as well
as lead work.

The pups sound nice distorted as well.They seem to have a lot of responsiveness; much more than the SD 59s I have in my USA Custom and the 58s in my AR 300.The middle and back positions get a great Larry Carlton sound with very little tweaking.

So Far I've tried them through a Mesa Mark III
and a Fender Deville.

I know there are other great boutique pups out there but getting hold of them in Sydney is difficult, so the Duncans are a good compromise.


I'd like to put the Duncans in my 1981 AR 300
but I'm not sure about giving up the versatility of the tri-sound.

The Antiquities have turned a AUS$2000 guitar into AUS$6000 335 equivalent.

I hope my mini review is useful to someone.

Bob
Sixvsix (Sixvsix)
Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 7:58 pm:   

Seth Lovers are great too :)

six
Mr_Roadstar (Mr_Roadstar)
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 4:09 am:   

Bob,

Seymour offers 4 wire leads on almost everything. I'm sure you could get the Antiquities done that way too. Then you wouldn't have to give up the Tri-Sounds.

Cheers
Steve

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