What model could this be?

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Author Message   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 8:27 am:    Hi, I'd like to know what model this old Ibanez is, the owner thinks it's a 1969-model. Also: what would the guitar be worth? http://home.scarlet.be/~ln109919/guitar.html Thanks!   Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:03 am:    Hi Lieve This is a 1968/69 Ibanez Model, we dont know the exact model number since years, there are no catalogs to find :-( Produced and sold from 1968 to 1970. This one comes from the first series of the production. The metal logo mounting on the headstock. The later one got a not underlined ibanez logo (1969/70).The assembly was always the same, only the color of the pickups rings and the trem unit was changed. The guitar looks in good shape, clean it and the value starts up to 300 $ and more :-) Take care Hasy   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 2:07 pm:    Thanks for the info! the guitar is in good shape, but not working - I suppose I could get that fixed quite easily. What I do find a bit odd is that the bridge is very close to the pickup. Is that normal? (I added a 5th picture on the page with the picture -> http://home.scarlet.be/~ln109919/guitar.html )   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 3:25 pm:    Dear Lieve,/Beste Lieve,/Chèr(e) Lieve,/Liebe(r) Lieve! (just word joking, since you're the second Lieve/Lieven here as far as I know, and as a linguist I was I've been wondering for a while how it is with this name: is Lieven a boy's name and Lieve a girl's name?) Anyway, welcome! The bridge is NOT fixed, not by means of glue or screws, it is just pressed to the top by the strings. So you have to intonate it yourself. What I can see now, is that the intonation CAN'T be right, because the string length on the bass side should be the longest one. And on your guitar that isn't the case at the moment. What's important, is that your 12th fret is the middle of the string (with a little intonation correction of course). So try this on the 3rd and 4th string, because they are in the middle. If that's not the case, you should move the bridge. The fingered tones in the 12th position should have exactly the same pitch as the 12th harmonics (or as we call it in Dutch/Flemish "flageoletten". Now, if you have this right for the 3rd and 4th string, you should pivot the bridge a little around the centre between 3rd and 4th, making the treble side a little shorter and the bass side al little longer. Try the 12th harmonics trick on every string individually and correct the position of the bridge until ALL strings have the right pitch. Tune the guitar and your ready. Ginger   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 5:23 pm:    Thanks for the info! I don't have the guitar yet, but now at least I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the bridge and I can fix it myself. Thanks again for everyone's help on this message board!! (ps: Lieve is indeed a girl's name and Lieven is a boy's name. It's a very Belgian (Flemish) name, don't think there are many Lieve's in Holland, are they? There is however a good Belgian restaurant called 'Lieve' in Amsterdam ;-)   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 6:30 pm:    Here a (second) cousin Juha   Hasy Username: Hasy Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:45 pm:    Hi Juha What`s the brand name of this beauty ? Greets Hasy   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 3:16 pm:    Diasonic, MIJ in 60's Trade negotations going on with its owner/seller. Juha   Talajuha Username: Talajuha Registered: 11-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 9:10 am:    Diasonic was sold, 320 EUR ($435). I was not ready to pay that much - didn't want to get it so much. Acceptable player's condition - hard to tell how collectable, some flaws here and there. Juha   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:03 am:    Yep, I bought the guitar (see first post) and she is in excellent shape for a 38-year old! Very happy with it. She might need some work on the wiring an possibly a refret-job. But since I only paid 100 euro for her I think I can still afford that cost :-) Also: the vibrato is missing its spring, do you think a guitar-repairshop could also repair this? If not: could I just put the tailpiece on and remove the vibrato? Would that affect the sound? thanks! Lieve   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 6:45 pm:    DON'T REMOVE THE VIBRATO. It's probably a simple "duwveer" / push spring, you can buy in any hardware store. Here is one from Bigsby: http://www.voxhumanawebstore.nl/webstore/product_i nfo.php?cPath=139_157_171&products_id=1005 But I suggest you take a look in your local "ijzerwarenhandel" first. 5 euros for the spring for an unknown tremolo is quite expensive and you don't know if it fits. So take your guitar to the "ijzerwarenhandel" and ask for a fitting "duwveer". I bought a small "duwveer" for a diving flipper a few weeks ago. They asked 45 cents. I think a little more is more than enough for a bigger one, perhaps 1-1.50 euro (and no shipping). Ginger   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 5:41 am:    muchas gracias, once again, gember!!   Lvdvondel Username: Lvdvondel Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 5:00 pm:    Hello Lieve, I dropped by to your house today to check the guitar that you had "for years" and that you are selling now. Indeed, it does need a fretjob. I was happy to see that it is fully working now, as "it always has been". I was not happy to see in this tread (pictures) thay you had the tailpiece changed, insisting on the fact that you bought it like that years ago and as far as you knew, it was original. I would have bought this guitar anyway, so why were you lying? I guess the guy that was willing to pay 500euro's for it, is also something you made up to get the price up? not so kind regards, Lieven   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 5:47 pm:    Just to set straight that Lieven, who just posted this message above, calling me a liar - seemed to have seen somewhere that I changed the tailpiece. Which I didn't: he was looking at the Diasonic picture thinking I posted that. I told him the tailpiece was NOT the original but I didn't change it, as you can see in the pictures I posted in the link. He also seems to recall me saying I've had this guitar for years, which I never said. He never asked, I never said how long I've had it. I answered ALL his questions truthfully and yet he finds it necessary to post this even before asking me directly. Oh well.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 6:15 pm:    Lieven, Hasy wrote: "Produced and sold from 1968 to 1970. This one comes from the first series of the production. The metal logo mounting on the headstock. The later one got a not underlined ibanez logo (1969/70).The assembly was always the same, only the color of the pickups rings and the trem unit was changed. The guitar looks in good shape, clean it and the value starts up to 300 $ and more :-)" HE DID NOT WRITE THAT THIS TREMOLO WAS NOT ORIGINAL, he wrote that Ibanez changed the tremolo between 1968 and 1970. The tremolo in your message is the same as the one on scarlet.be Lieve just took my advice and bought a spring for it, that's all. And yes, she made a profit of about 400 euros, but 100 euros was exceptionally low. Perhaps 500 + the cost of a fret job is quite steep, but it's a nice axe, and I have no reason to believe that ANY part of it, except the spring, is NOT original. (Don't look at Juha's guitar because it's a different one). Tuttuttut, Lievekes toch... Ginger   Lvdvondel Username: Lvdvondel Registered: 9-2005 Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 2:20 pm:    look at the second picture in lieve's post, showing a detail of the tailpiece. than look at the picture i included, of the guitar she is selling nd compare the two tailpieces.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 5:16 pm:    In Lieve's post the e and b string are missing, and there is a remain of some sort of rubber tip, but it looks hard and crumbling. It could be that she removed the crumbling rubber. Then I see the string balls are in different places after a new set of strings was installed. And perhaps a piece of metal near the pivot point of the bar looks a bit pointier on Lieves pics, but I can't tell for sure. Let's take a look: Lieve's second picture: Lieven vd Vondel's picture vibrato detail Lieven vd Vondel's picture with complete vibrato handle. Ginger   Lieve Username: Lieve Registered: 5-2007 Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 7:59 pm:    This really is too ridiculous for words. The ONLY differences between the guitar as I bought it and as when Lieven saw it are: 1. I dusted of up the guitar and polished the metal parts 2. I put a new spring in the vibrato (thanks to Gember for the tips, I did find a 'springveer' fairly easy in a hardware shop!). 3. I put on a new set of strings, wrapped around the vibrato, as it should be. 3. I move the bridge away from the pickup and put it in a good position to get a good intonation (once again, thanks to the tips on this forum) Apart from a new spring (since there was none) I did NOT replace or alter ANYTHING on the guitar, not a thing and therefore also not the tailpiece (where in the pictures can anybody see 2 different tailpieces??) I only 'restored' the whole guitar so it would be playable and could begin a new life. I asked questions in this thread to make sure I did everything as it should be, and got great responses. But since I'm saving for a new guitar and hollow-body isn't really my thing, I decide to sell it. I guess Lieve is just a little annoyed thinking he was getting a nice guitar for a good price, and then felt ripped-off when he read that guitar 'only' cost me 100 euro, and still I wouldn't sell it to him for 350 euro. The reason for this is that someone else offered me 500 euro. Now what would any of you do in that case? I hope -apart from Lieven- it's clear now that I did not try to cheat or lie or whatever, because I simply didn't. Case closed.   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 8:17 pm:    That was actually what I was trying to show. I had cut the same part of the guitar out of Lieven's picture. I don't know what went wrong, it was only 8 kB and the other one was only 12 kB. Even together with your picture they didn't exceed 100 kB. Anyway, I could give it another try: Lieven vd Vondel's picture vibrato detail Lieven vd Vondel's picture with complete vibrato handle. Let's see how it works out now. Ginger   Gemberbier Username: Gemberbier Registered: 5-2006 Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 8:37 pm:    Sorry, I don't get it. I had saved them as "JPEG Bitmap". Johns, what could be the reason? They're really small files. Anyway, if I had bought such a lovely piece of history 350 euros would not be enough to let it go. Certainly not with a working vibrato. Most of these old bars are broken. And replacement of a spring is regular maintenance, just like the springs in a Stratocaster trem or the saddle of your bike. After a long period spring steel can get "tired", or rusty or even break. Springs are "useables" just like strings. You don't keep your fourty years old strings on your guitar because they're vintage, at least not if you want to use the guitar for what it was made for: to make music. Ginger   Ibanezfreak1960 Username: Ibanezfreak1960 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 12:07 am:    by the way the string are on that thing wrong, they should wrap around the bar.(pic that ginger enlarged)

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