Ibanez AG195-AV

[Juha T]

If you don't believe me,  ...

No, I don't and I will not and I will show your beliefs are wrong when I think it is necessary.

Now you can again enterntain yourself by taking one or two words from here and some other words from there and write a smart reply.

Juha

[gemberbier]

Hm, ... 

AG75's original pickups are ACH1/2 .

MIJ and  MIK Super58s exist, MIC Super 58 Customs exist. Who has seen MIC Super58s and on which guitar? Also I thought they exist but then ... ?

There are a lot of Fujigen made and other quality guitars for sale in the price range $800 - $1100 (starting bid - BIN of the Artcore United on eBay).

BTW, MIC AS103 is the best ES-335 type guitar in its price range. 

Juha

You're absolutely right, Juha.
ACH stands for Art Core Humbucker, and they are on all Artcore guitars with model numbers under 100.
1 and 2 are just the bridge and the neck version.

I think the MIJ necks on the United Artcores are Prestige necks.
I did not mean to say that these Chinese bodies were bad, they were just cheaper in production.
The production and drying of the glue of these jazz bodies consumes a lot of space in the factory.
So, the idea was to concentrate on the necks and let the Chinese do the space consuming part.

I was lucky that I could lay my hands on the hard copy of the Artcore catalog WITH the United models, but I never had one in my hands. I'd love to feel them. I expect a lot of those necks, but that has nothing to do with scarf or no scarf. Scarf joints between headstock and neck do not have more effect on the sustain than a glue joint between body and neck.


Ginger

[nnickusa]

G'day.
Here's one I've been watching.  Any opinions on this model?  AG95DBS?Ebay Item Number #140262785966

Thanks,
Nick

[gemberbier]

G'day.
Here's one I've been watching.  Any opinions on this model?  AG95DBS?Ebay Item Number #140262785966

Thanks,
Nick

The recommended retail price is €509.- (Hoshino Benelux), which is about €872.22 (AUD)
The whole $1400 story is BS.

I think that most shops will give you a discount of 15% if you don't trade.

The guitar is beautiful. But the actual second hand value (even in brand new condition) is 2/3 of $872.-
The shop will give him 50% of the RRP.


Ginger

[toms_korber]

No, I don't and I will not and I will show your beliefs are wrong when I think it is necessary

I'll gladly have my beliefs shown to be wrong by any missionary or crusader who happens to come along!  

As far as I'm concerned, you can go on repeating your game of "my toy is better than your toy!" (if I'm not mistaken, this is the 4th or even 5th round) ad infinitum or ad nauseam. But perhaps it might be a good idea if you'd try and get hold of a United series guitar and A/B-ed it with an MIC Artcore - or at least talk to people who have...

[nnickusa]

Thanks, Ginger.

I've been loking for references, but didn't find any so far.  Glad I haven't bid.  Last time it got up to 405AUD before the auction was changed to buy it now.  Thought about it then, but have since bought a Gretsch 5120, so I probably don't need it anyway.  Two hands, one head, six guitars and three basses...........heaven.

You other two...go to your rooms!

Nick

[Ibaneezer_Scrooge]

No takers....relisted...opening bid now $600...$200 drop.

Ebay Item Number #320295569186

[jazzzbo]

This guitar has been on Fleabay, at least 3 times, first start bid $800 and twice start bid at $600. no hits, so, whats the deal here, Also, AS200 with wacky serial number etc is back again , starting bid at $800, now this guy really has a bizarre story,  AND finaly 2630 didnt sell, his last price buy it now, pay rite now, was only $1400.  jazzzz

[Ibaneezer_Scrooge]

Still no buyers at $600...relisted again at $600

Ebay Item Number #320297552911

If Ibanez had given it anything but an Artcore label, it would have sold.

IMO poor marketing...

You can't have a guitar straddling the two different quality lines...and expect it to be successful.  Most players will still look at it as a compromise and delegate it to the lower quality line.

Didn't Ibanez learn from the disastrous George Benson GB10JS...Made in Korea?

That guitar gets no respect, but is probably better than most Artcore models.

Hmmmmm....

[toms_korber]

If Ibanez had given it anything but an Artcore label, it would have sold.

IMO poor marketing...

You can't have a guitar straddling the two different quality lines...and expect it to be successful.  Most players will still look at it as a compromise and delegate it to the lower quality line.

Exactly - imagine BMW dubbing their 5 series "3 PLUS" or something!

Maybe that's why the seller doesn't mention the word Artcore anymore - it doesn't say "Artcore" anywhere on the guitar BTW...

I prefer to simply call them "United model", too...

[pitchpocket]

This guitar is one I sold last year to a guy in New York. He turned around and sold it about a month later. This Artcore United model is pretty nice, but the pups are a bit anemic. The neck is great and the finish is excellent, but after I got the GB100, it paled in the sound department.

[toms_korber]

Super 58s "anemic"?!?  I beg your pardon! 
Well, I guess those GB floating PUs are better for that type of sound...

Just out of curiosity: how much did you pay for the AG195 and how much for the GB? And what would have been the list price for the latter (AG195 was something like $1,400 IIRC)?

[Ibaneezer_Scrooge]

Can't compare list prices.

The dates of issue for each guitar is simply too far apart.

Making list price comparisons useless, unless you somehow adjust for inflation and a host of other economic factors.

The GB100/GB12 is a great sounding guitar...and looks expensive.

[toms_korber]

The current GB models sell for well over 2,000 Euros - I guess they weren't much cheaper 4 years ago.
And you certainly won't find a used one for under 1,000 - so even if you'd shell out some extra $$$ for some less "anemic" PUs, the AG195 seems like a fine deal to me... 

[Ibaneezer_Scrooge]

The rarer GB series guitars will continue to appreciate.

They have the true Japan pedigree.

The Artcore United models are mutts...mixed breed guitars.

You're lucky the Chinese did not eat them, before they shipped them out to be finished.

I don't think Artcore United guitars will ever be collectible.

But that's my take.