Metheny Hollowbody

[wakuhn1]

I agree with you Rick on the PM35.  They're not bad guitars, they're just not outstanding.  I'm surprised that Pat would allow that guitar to bear his name, but oh well.

I too would like to see Ibanez make an exact replica of his stage guitar.

Patrick

I understand where you guys are coming from... And isn't this the reason for this guitar? For someone that isn't quite ready to buy a signature model for much more $?

Making a replica of his stage guitar would be great... Something you know will work well in live situations.

Bill

[stbatz]

Some things that I want to know:
                                               the reason that Mr Metheny and Mr Scotfield they do not play with its respective signatures models?
(Sco plays with its old AS200 and Pat  with its FG100/PM20 prototype)
The reason for which Mr Benson always play with its signature models?
BTW,years back, Allan Holdsworth cancel its contract  with Ibanez, because  was very disappointed with the quality of the  production models of his signature model AH10/AH20(not thus with its prototype, which was top noch),a very honest attitude, and an example for many,IMHO.
Here Is My Two Cents
Greetings

[Vlad_J]

Some things that I want to know:
                                               the reason that Mr Metheny and Mr Scotfield they do not play with its respective signatures models?
(Sco plays with its old AS200 and Pat  with its FG100/PM20 prototype)

Actually, Pat played his signature models for many years (just lookup his youtube videos) but recently he has reverted to his old prototype.  Unfortunatley, he stoped updating the letters section on his web site (convientently called Question & Answers) so it's difficult to find out why exactly.

With Sco it's a different story.  He has been so loyal to his AS200 that Ibanez decided to rebrand it as his signature model. Appearantly it includes changes he suggested like a plug on the side.  It would be cool if it had the coil tap options he has on his, even if they were hidden inside the knobs.

[stbatz]

According to I have understood, Pat uses exclusively its prototype for the last ten years
The last time that I saw in scene with his signature PM100 was in the tour  "We Live Here" year 98/99
All the videos of Pat playing with his PM100 in Youtube are of that period 98/00
 the same year, with its trio, I play with his signature pm120 in an European tour,since then it plays exclusively with its prototype FG100/PM20
That amount of Ibanez PM100/120 was sold from the 98 to the present time? ,it seems a good question
Greetings

[simonarg]

I always wondered what the difference would be soundwise between an archtop with a floating pickup and one with a regular.

I dont understand why Ibz puts a floating humbucker in a plywood archtop, the sound is thin i dont like it.

[Pierrot]

I always wondered what the difference would be soundwise between an archtop with a floating pickup and one with a regular.

I dont understand why Ibz puts a floating humbucker in a plywood archtop, the sound is thin i dont like it.

Hmmmm! I wouldn't say that :

Just listen to GB serie (GB5, 10, 15 -I own one- 20, 30, 100 -I owned one 3 years ago- all of them laminate) and try to describe the sound....anything BUT thin....IMO, of course!
However, I agree in that APPARENTLY there is a contradiction in using a floating PU with a not-so-much-vibrating top. More, Ibz uses a floating PU, which doesn't touch the top of the instrument ----to let it vibrate?----, and they mount 2 or 4 pots plus a toggle switch in that top, not to mention the internal cables and hardware

But, again, results are results!!

Acoustics and its misteries Definitely NOT an exact science, despite Fourier, Sabine, Helmholtz and many other great mathematicians

[stbatz]

I believe that it is a good idea to speak than one know empirically, this is in the case of a forum of Ibanez collectors
one must speak on the guitars that it owns, in those cases the opinions only have a utility beyond the words,for that reason it is a great idea to tell to the members of the forum that ibanez has one in its collection, does not concern if this collection is great or small, the important thing is that it exists….
BTW one of the reasons of the floating PU is to avoid feedback

[stbatz]

Certainly the previous commentary does not have to you Pierrot

[tone]

One thing I definately don't like so far about FG100 is that the pickups rattle against pup rings too much.  When playing unplugged, certain low notes and intervals make the pups rattle to the point of natural distortion of the notes.

I'm thinking about stuffing something between the pickup and the rings so they can't move or even sand off the inner edge of the rings so there's more gap between pups and rings.

I wish my FG100 had floating pickup(and no rear pickup). 

Does anybody know if there's such thing as rubber pickup ring? 

[Ibaneezer_Scrooge]

tone...

About 50% of my archtops that I have owned over the years, regardless of price, have this problem.

Some say to wrap tape around the pup, others say to screw down the rings so that they are on tight.

I have found that pushing on the pup at times will make the symphatetic vibration go away.

I have also thought about slightly sanding the inside of the rings to open them up more, so that they do not contact the pup.

FWIW...My FA100NT does it too.

And...it is annoying.

Rubber rings...never heard of that, but it sounds like a great idea.

[stbatz]

One of the last concerts of Pat with his pm120(1999), a year later begins to use exclusively its prototype FG100/PM20

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[petruz]

this guitar has two outputs, maybe a piezo under the bridge?

[simonarg]

its a 100 or 120 (thin like a 120 but one mic like 100)

[Vlad_J]

Notice how the PM20 prototype has the pickup lowered away from the neck.  No other of his models have that.

Edit: Just noticed that the Ibanez Joe Pass guitar has the pickup in the same position.  Looks very similar to the Metheny protoype. Could they be the same guitar?

[petruz]

"Notice how the PM20 prototype has the pickup lowered away from the neck.  No other of his models have that." (quote)

the pickup position is the same, i.e. poles under the (virtual) 24th fret. the "change" of position is due to the fact that the PM20 prototype meth uses has 20 frets, as does the FG100, and the normal PM20 model instead 22, so the pickup sticks to the fretboard. the same distance between fretboard/pickup can be seen in a gibson ES175.
in the joe pass model the distance is really bigger. the JP20 has 22 frets and the pickup is far away from the fretboard. the pickup poles is this case sit under 1/3 of the string scale (a sort of "poorer" sweetspot").