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Author Topic: "Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar"  (Read 1080 times)
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« on: June 29, 2008, 03:18:43 PM »
I started playing at the age of 10 (I'm 45 now) and to me, talking about and reading about guitars or just looking at them (it was on this site that I first read the phrase "guitar porn") has always been part of the fascination. I can't help feeling though, that right now things have gone a little out of proportion and that I should spent more time actually playing. Maybe ICW is partially to blame for this, too. Don't get me wrong, I love this site - I've learned A LOT, I bought my AS193 ("one of 141"!!!) because of this site and  I've "met" some nice people here, too.

Don't fret my fellow Ibanezers - I'm not going away (thought certainly one person here wouldn't miss me at all  Wink), but maybe you'll see me here less often in the future...
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 05:04:39 PM »
You could have skipped that post and just "shut up and played your guitar" but then that would not be annoying.  Looking forward to you playing your guitar more
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 05:11:01 PM »
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one person here wouldn't miss me at all
wasn't referring to you, but thanks for your kind and very polite words anyway... Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 09:29:39 PM »
I didnt think you were refering to me.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2008, 09:52:25 PM »
Reminds my associative brain of this one:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/d-BKcKMS748&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/d-BKcKMS748&rel=1</a>

Huh? Was that 28 years ago? Oh, my God. We're really getting old...


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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2008, 09:57:07 PM »
Quote from: dave_g on June 29, 2008, 01:33:37 AM

Oh for the love of god and all things sacred, let it go !


 Wink Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 05:09:39 PM »
Now that we've got rid of the static - could we make this the "IbanezCollectorsWorldaholic Anonymous" thread it was originally inteded to be? Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 05:16:04 PM »
Return of the Son of Shut Up 'n' Play Yer Guitar! Grin

Anyone else ever notice that the "Shut up n play" titled solos from that album seem to be extended "Inca Roads" solos?
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 05:24:45 PM »
Yeah - guess I'm a real sucker for punishment!
(Note to self: mention discovering my masochistic trait in next meeting with The Shrink!)  Grin

I must humbly admit that my knowledge of the opus of the late great Frank Z. is limited to "Overnite Sensation" and some othe bits here & there - I just thought that title was appropriate...
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 01:54:13 PM »
Quote from: ChuckE99 on June 30, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
Return of the Son of Shut Up 'n' Play Yer Guitar! Grin

Anyone else ever notice that the "Shut up n play" titled solos from that album seem to be extended "Inca Roads" solos?

Yep, that's exactly what it is.  I love that record, all of those Zappa solos extended to mars and beyond.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 02:43:14 PM »
I read an interview with Frank back in the early eighties where he explained what he did for the "Joe's Garage" album, and it's my contention that those experiments led directly to his changed lead/solo style of the late '70s and beyond. What Frank did was to take a guitar solo track from a live performance and marry it to rhythm tracks created in the studio. Thus, when he calls Joe's solos "imaginary guitar solos" he means it. They were never actually played the way you hear them on the record.

What Frank didn't explain, but what I surmize, is that he started those experiments on the "Sheik Yerbouti" album. There are two tracks on that album, the first being "Rubber Shirt" (where he takes a 4/4 drum track and synchs it to a 7/8 bass solo) and the solo to "Your Mama", where he first used the combination technique. My contention is that these experiments came out so well, and the "Joe's Garage" album solos came out so friggin' fantastic (think, "Outside Now" and "Watermelon in Easter Hay") that he literally changed the way he played guitar solos from that point on. Compare the amazing but on-the-beat solos for "Black Napkins" or "Rat Tomago" with the "unstuck in time" solos on the "Shut Up n Play..." discs and beyond. They are fundamentally different constructions, and yet, equally amazing.

By the way, this is an invaluable link for any Zappafile:

http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/albums/
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 03:11:42 PM »
Chuck

I'll gladly hand over this thread to you and Frank Z.!
In the future, I'll be more careful when naming my threads - maybe I'll start another "IbanezCollectorsWorldaholic Anonymous"-thread elsewhere. Or maybe you could do that for me - I guess you're at least as qualified as I am... Cheesy

(And for some reason I still can't quite comprehend, threads started be me tend to either get hijacked and/or end up in utter desaster Wink )
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2008, 03:17:24 PM »
Threads morph, Toms. They go their own directions. Also, your original posting pretty much just made a statement and didn't spawn a lot of comments. Plus, I'm a huge Zappa freak.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2008, 03:33:00 PM »
Hey - I wasn't complaining at all!  Smiley
I've learned the hard way about threads morphing (or sould I say: mutating?  Wink)

When I started this thread I thought, maybe others here felt the same so we could start a self-help group and meet here on a regular basis...  Grin

(no offense inteded to anyone here who might suffer from a REAL addiction - I'm pretty well aware of the problems!)
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 12:01:35 PM »
I used the technique of a solo from one track to a different background on my
track "casting shadows", if you see my myspace page you can hear a bit of it:

http://www.myspace.com/aliensporebomb

I was inspired by FZ quite a bit growing up and the "shut up" series is a longtime
favorite.  The tones on "Joe's Garage" are hard to beat too.
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